I am perfectly aware of how much 9.3 sucks. However, the Yak-38 is the least offender of its BR. Plenty of other jets need to go up before it does.
F-104A, MiG-19, Ariete, and Ayit all deserve 9.7 BR ASAP. Once those planes get an uptier we can look at how the Yak-38 performs, but right now we have 4 planes that are hitting above their weight and ruining the matchmaker for everyone who has to fight them.
People were also much less used to dealing with missiles than they are now. At that time the MiG-23M hadn’t even dropped yet, which meant that the highest pulling missile in the game was the R60 at 30G with no all-aspect. Players were used to the Aim-9J with 20, and the naval 18G sidewinders that could be easily dodged because their leading algorithms were not working as intended.
I doubt the Yak-38 will be a big issue at 9.3 even if the other problem vehicles are uptiered.
100% agree.
However, I don’t believe they are worthy of 9.7, nor do I believe they are worthy of 9.3. The Ariete and MiG-19 are good examples of fighters with excellent flight performance, but can easily be dealt with by 20g+ missiles from a third party. Similarly, the F-104A is the fastest jet at the BR, but as soon as they try boom and zooming an experienced player with 20g+ missiles, they too can just launch them while the F-104 tries to run away.
The A-4N is a very good CAS plane, and has pretty decent flight performance (for such a CAS jet) with Aim-9Ds and Shafrir 2s, and flares, but again, it struggles to cope with 10.3 aircraft already (unlike with experienced MiG-19 and Ariete pilots), so putting it at 9.7 will only make it face more of them more often.
Respectfully, the Ariete absolutely does not deserve 9.7.
While it is absolutely very good at dogfighting, it is ONLY very good at dogfighting. With my experience in the Ariete is very easy to avoid if you just stay away from it and make passes on it. You move the Ariete to 9.7 you make it unplayable in both air and ground.
TL:DR: Ariete doesn’t need to go up since you can just avoid it
By that principle, the A-10 shouldn’t be at 10.0 too, since you can just stay outside of 3 kilometers from it very easily and avoid it.
Of course, this is not what you’re trying to say, but the problem with the ariete is that even if you want to avoid it, it can eventually third-party you if you don’t keep an eye on it, and every boom-and-zoomer can only wish that the ariete is unaware of their surroundings for them to land a hit.
I agree that it shouldn’t be 9.7 (at the BR range’s current state), but it is definitely too good for 9.3.
Ultimately I think it just comes down to the pretty extreme compression that we have from 8.3-10.3. The Ariete is gonna be difficult to balance no matter where you put it. Put it at 9.7 and It’s completely unplayable, keep it at 9.3 and it’ll seal club in downtiers just like the F-100, F-104, MiG-19, etc etc.
Honestly if the snail didn’t make the mistake of adding high-performance missiles at 10.0/3 we wouldn’t have this issue.
Ultimately the AMX, A-10s, Su-25s, all need to go to at least 10.7 or preferably 11.0. I love the AMX, it’s a fun plane, but having 2 “I win” buttons against flareless jets is not fair for them, and I certainly don’t enjoy eating shit to AIM-9Ls in F-104As either.
Precisely, this wouldn’t be a problem without the high-performance missiles.
I haven’t played the Ariete. However, I have played the MiG-19, which absolutely deserves 9.7. 20G rear-aspect missiles exist because they are necessary to deal with an airframe which has so much flight performance. Planes like the Hunter F58 and AV-8 are helpless to cope with a MiG-19 without their missiles, so moving up the MiG-19 makes total sense.
My reasoning for uptiering the Ariete is that it extends the same Me 163 no-fun zone effect where if you can’t outrun it, you are dead. If the dude knows how to dodge, you have to dogpile an Ariete with about three people before you have a good chance of killing it with guns.
Anyway back on topic… if people can justify Ariete at 9.3, then there’s no way the Yak-38 ought to get uptiered when the Ariete is a far more uptier proof plane.
I would disagree.
Full uptiers in the Ariete can be pretty miserable if people decide to focus you hard.
The second they decide to avoid dogfighting you and just try to missile with an AIM-9J you’re kinda boned.
That simply how it goes in the 9.7-10.3 BR range… Sometimes it feels like you’re playing with 10 year olds that have barely touched a keyboard, let alone gotten into a game like this in a BR range like this
You submit your screenshots of the scoreboard and show what plane you are in. If you need to go back in the replay you can do that, since you can access the scoreboard during replays (just fast forward to end of game and screenshot the scoreboard showing what vehicle you were in). Squadded games are not admissible unless the game randomly paired you with a teammate.
Threads are for a topic, and an interval of a week isn’t enough to count as a necro. If no one is interested in discussing the Yak-38, then we should let the thread lie.
And that topic is never set once past the initial conversation. This thread has hundreds of messages, and that has since moved onto other vehicles of similar BR. I’ve added my two cents on the topic, where is the issue?
I would like to see the Yak 38 get some mercy, but my experience tells me that almost every plane from 8.3-10.3 is squeezed by BR compression brutally. Just moving the Yak’s BR will only change which planes are undeservedly strong and which are not. We need more room in the battle rating system in the 9.0 area to really solve the problem.
