If you mean Yak-38M then, yes. Also, I am not a very good player in Jet RB, but still I do better with Yak-38 than you do. It has worse stats than the other aircraft because it attempts a montage kill and fails and dies, but still…
I agree that aircraft like F-104A/F-104C, EEL, MiG-19 should not be in 9.3BR, but that is no reason to drop Yak-38/Yak-38M to 9.0. You should learn to play before you shelve your skills and post bs in anger on a forum.
i have it, the SMT, it is a very cool aircraft, but having alternative isnt an excuse to allow yak 38 to be so bad
It’s not though. Most 9s either don’t have AAMs at all, or are limited to earlier missiles. such as the Aim-9B/Fire streak (I dont know what the soviet equivalent is). Its not till 9.3/9.7 that more advanced missiles become available, like Aim-9E. The closest match in performance to the Yak-38 I think I have currently, is something like the Hunter FGA9. Which sits at 9.3. If the Yak-38 were to move down, then many other jets would need to move down as well for the exact same reasons and you’d just be back to square one.
The better option is for everything above 9 to be moved up by varying degrees, not to move the Yak-38 down
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but yak 38’s turn rate is so bad, those early missiles can be deadly, thus yak 38 also has to take care not to get shot at.
fair
Same is true for many, the Yak-38 is not alone in this. Though if you are in a position to be taken out by an early AAM like an Aim-9B, then its likely you would also be just as easily taken out by a well placed burst of cannon fire.
though very few at 8- 9 can even begin to think about evading a 30G missile like the R-60. I’d not even want to consider facing one in something like a Sea-Vixen or Javelin.
many? many like what? you do realise that if an aim9b is shot at me from less than ~1.5km at my full speed, i have near to no chance of dodging it
Hunter FGA9, sub-sonic, no CMs
Hunter F1, Sub-sonic no CMs, no AAMs
Both slower than the Yak-38
Buc S2. Slower than the Yak-38, worse turning, no AAMs other than 2 optional 9Bs. No guns
These 3 I know for a fact stand no chance of evading a 9B, certainly no chance of evading an R-60.
THose are the only ones I can speak with from a personal perspective. But quick glance at the stat cards. F3H-2, CL-13B Sabre, F-86F-40, evne the G.91s might be a little rough.
The Yak-38 is faster than all of those, has better AAMs and only slightly worse turn radius
what?? Buccaner S.2 has worse turn time than a fucking pb4y?
Doesn’t matter. Yak-38 may lack the turn necessary to evade a 9B, All those lack the necessary turn to evade an R-60 and the Yak-38 is faster than all those despite being either at the same BR or nearly the same BR, meaning it could fairly reliably get into range to use them. If you have positioned yourself, so that an enemy fighter has gotten onto your tail suffeciently to fire a 9B. Then they could just as easily have shot you down with cannon fire.
The issues the Yak-38 faces at 9.3, dont go away by moving it to 9.0, or even 8.0. But R-60s at 9.0 would be insane. 30G missiles when most barely have 10G. Hunter FGA9 only has 2x Aim-9Es, that only have 10Gs of pull, at 9.3. Even the Lightning F.6 at 9.3, with Red Tops are still not equal to the R-60. Because they are no where near as good as the R-60.
The Yak-38 is not at 9.3 because of its flight performance, its at 9.3 because of its AAMs. remove those, and sure, lower it down, but do you really want to be gun fighting in the Yak-38?
If you have any kind of bomb load, you can’t pull more than about 2G or your wings fall off.
you know what, you actually might have right, but how would we then balance yak 38? like… you are saying things like mig 21 F-13 / mig-19 should go to 9.7, but this doesnt really help as it will meant yak 38 will still face opponents far superior, as well as your listed buccanner which has no chance against it, as well as - for its own tier - op F-86F-2 which a little deserves those R-60 into its a** (but it seems to me that F-86F-2 actually could dodge them)
Unfortunately there is no valid solution currently, Many aircraft, especially top tier suffer as a direct result from compression. Heck, look at top tier GB. Apparently Gaijin considers the Phantom FGR2/FG1, Tornado Gr1 and Tornado F3 all equal in ability and the Harrier Gr7 superior to all 4. Reality is far more complicated and messy than that.
I think 9.3 is about as good as you can hope for currently. To move down at the moment would require some form of nerf, that I think you’d hate more.
I don’t deny for even a moment that its a hard jet to fly/use. But it does have clear strengths that others at its BR don’t have. I think you are just going to have to make the best of a bad situation until they finally decompress 8.7 ish and up massively. its that compression that is currently screwing over many many aircraft.
nono, what i asked is, even with decompression, would such aircraft be possible to balance?
Yeah, if it stayed put, but other things around it, like the F-104, Lightning F6, etc that are fast, can be moved up without hitting the CM/All-aspect/BVR tier, then it wouldnt have to facve those.
The higher maneuvability sub-sonics can move up, like the Harrier, can now move up because they arent dealing with super-sonics. So it will encounter them less. The lower tier AAM bracket can decompress as well. So maybe the Yak-38 would encounter more of those, whilst those that are completely outclassed dont have to.
Etc etc. Its not necessarily about balancing the Yak-38, its about clearing the way for others to move around it. It will never be possible to have game where everything is perfectly balanced. The Yak-38 will likely always have the AAM advantage, but something like the Hunter will always have the maneuvability advantage. Which is better is subjective to the player flying it. I’d quite happily sacrifice some of the turn radius on the Hunter FGA9 for 9Ds or 9Gs and get rid of the 9Es (though, I just dont click with the 30mm ADENs, no idea why)
fair.
but snail wont decompress the game to encourage you to spend money on the game and get through painful tiers quickly im afraid.
Yeah… Though we can hope. I just blame GRB
idk if that will bring much
Are we ever going to see Gaijin balance 30G missiles around the 9.X region properly? The yak 38 at 9.3 with 4 R-60s on an airframe that just barely tops out below mach is still insane. It doesn’t matter if it turns poorly because the moment it gets a missile lock on anything that doesn’t have flares, being almost everything it faces, whatever it’s shooting at is done. It’s in no way fair and the enjoyment of playing one plane should not come at the cost of the entire matchmaker around it.
Sabres should not be fighting 30G missiles. G91s should not, the Venom should not, hell even MiG-19s and early MiG-21s shouldn’t. Yak 38s shouldn’t have received R-60s at such a low BR in the first place, let alone four of them.
You seem to have no problem playing the under-tiered F-104 though…
You have never flown the Yak-38. Kindly report back after you’ve played a few dozen games in it and compare the difficulty envelope between the two aircraft based on the current matchmaker/lobby.
Tell me where I compared the two. The F-104A is ridiculous at 9.3, was already very strong at 9.7, and likewise for planes like the MiG-19 and J-7II. They all have cracked flight performance, the Yak 38 has cracked missiles, and none of them should be at 9.3. Ideally they wouldn’t even be 9.7.
I don’t care to grind the thing out. I don’t need to fly it to know that four R-60s at 9.3 is unfair. It doesn’t matter if its flight model is bad, because its missiles ruin anything it fights that doesn’t have flares.