XM800T needs a br change

XM also doesn’t need to reload every 100 rounds unlike 87 and it has access to full APDS belt.
Meanwhile 87 has 3/4 APDS belt which means 25% of your ammo is useless.

In my opinion XM is more than 0.3 better than 87, as it practically has no downsides.

I think the gepard and all the marksman SPAAs should be higher too, radar shouldn’t be facing ww2 planes in GRB

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I agree that they should be higher, but for other reasons

what are your reasons?

a violent hatred for the thing from a light tank perspective

also for a long time it was a lower BR than the sidam 25 for no reason, so its just kind of a personal hatred

what are your reasons for the hate?

rant on why I hate XM800T is spoilered

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As for me the thing is exactly how players that have never played the fox describe the fox.
Its really fast (faster than the fastest production tank, Scimitar) to the point that it keeps up with the fox and can easily overtake on worse terrain.
Its also more agile when the fox just understeers into the nearest wall.
Its engine is quiet while the fox is one of the loudest in game (I’ve put a but report in for how overly loud the fox is, the thing can be heard from 600m away)
its fully stabilised so you don’t need to sacrifice much speed to get perfect shots on target
its fire rate not only compensates for its lower pen as you just dismantle everything before they even see through the tracer spam
its only 0.3 BR higher than the fox and its closest counterpart, Scimitar. Scimitar has unfinished gearing, overly bouncy and soft suspension and its Aluminium alloy is underperforming and there’s armour holes that let you die to small arms calibres frontally. Scimitar should handle similarly to the VFM5 but faster yet you are slower than a centurion unless you’re downhill.
I don’t like calling nation bias buuuut this is very blatant

I play a lot of italy, so many not well protected tanks, I have many memories of dying to people rushing in gepards or other 35mm AA, often just using the normal AP belt instead of the apds, while my own AA at the same br as the gepard has no radar, is significantly slower, does not get an AP belt (only getting limited APDS or HE), gets less APDS per gun and gets less pen with the APDS. all while for about 2 years the gepard was at a lower BR than the sidam 25 (last year when the controversial economy changes that they reverted came out I was quite happy as the gepard had finally been put up to the same BR as the sidam 25)

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Gepard is still too low of a BR. so is every radar SPAA tbh

yeah absolutely but anything was better than nothing. the gepard has gone up by like 0.3 step while everything else at that BR has been decompressed multiple times and gone up like 0.7 to 1 br steps

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Radar SPAA is fine it’s just their “APHE” overperforming against tanks.

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And most if not all CAS aircraft at that BR have gone up by 0.0 BR steps.

yeah, you would’ve thought that they would’ve used the separate GRB and ARB BRs for aircraft more by now

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Made a big announcement, added them for a few 9.0+ aircraft and everyone forgot about them at mid/low BR. Usual Gaijin practice when it comes to new additions to the game.

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I think theres like 2 aircraft below 8.7 with it, which is no where near enough

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And the worst offenders like the Pe-8, Ar-234, Ju-288, Lancaster or any US fighter bomber are left untouched. Meanwhile they had no problems with uptiering the Kugelblitz or Skink again and again.

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None of these critters are going to stop any bombers from dropping their load, at least from my personal experience flying it >1.5km altitude I always get to drop it, I could see bullets start flying but almost never hit by any, only enemy CAP could take me out.

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I knew as soon as they announced Fox and later XM800T, that they would be the funnest vehicles to use out of their respective updates. All the focus on top-tier jets, while these little rats are the way to roll.

I don’t think I’ve ever gotten shot down by SPAA before dropping the 5000kg. These planes are extremely op and shouldn’t exist.

I’ve gotten shot down like twice but it was my fault for bringing it to 8.3+ and it was Gepard lol and yes I still get to drop the 5 ton like 5/10 times at 8.3+