Because it already in the game inside USSR.
Israeli vehicles are already in the game inside US but they still got their TT, what gives ?
Ukraine is a much better contender for an USSR sub-tree than Czech Republic.
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I can agree that but people wouldn’t accept it… so I belive maybe putting them together with the white russia will be better.
Who says Gaijin even wants to have realistic battles ? That’s the point.
It’s not up to Gaijin to want realistic battles. Its up to the players and i want them. Reworking the severely outdated tech tree, that used to make sense 10 years ago, will alleviate some of these political backlashes.
Some Chinese players are gatekeeping others from receiving VT-4.
They are gatekeeping due to political implications, even if gaijin doesn’t mean them. The players will interpret it this way.
Ukraine was a part of the USSR.
Taiwan’s relation to China is also widely known.
Ukraine was part of the USSR but that doesn’t mean they are related anymore. And the relation between China and Taiwan is widely known as what? That is again a very broad statement that can be interpreted many different ways. With people taking very opposite stances on the matter.
Honestly, I can see this happening too, and they’ll just use Ukraine to fill holes in the Soviet tree later.
We already have Czech vehicles being drip fed into the tree and I expect they’ll release a line of vehicles as a sub tree at some point.
Those people that use politics as their only argument shouldn’t even be listened to, even more so as this is only a game.
If Gaijin wanted realistic battles they’d make them by now, or at least they’d stop mixed battles as US going against US is really absurd.
Which is why you shouldn’t listen to people with political agendas.
They were highly related for years and USSR is pretty much the best fit for Ukraine.
Or do you want Ukraine under Germany for example because they sent them a handful of outdated Leopards LMAO ?
Why do you expect me to elaborate on this further ?
They’re connected and that’s the only thing that matters as we aren’t playing a real life politics simulator.
There’s only one stance you can take when discussing Taiwan’s relation to China.
Are they related ? Yes.
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Good point…
But anyways I would defintely support the addition of ukraine tree in to the USSR tree. Inlcluding the NATO tanks cover with ERA everywhere.
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Too bad for the Russian mains that these people actually make Gaijin much more money than said Russian mains lol.
I have the good old opinion that not every nation on this planet needs to be an official sub tree somewhere and not every nation needs a sub tree.
If Gaijin wanted realistic battles they’d make them by now, or at least they’d stop mixed battles as US going against US is really absurd.
They did have realistic battles, or rather “historical”. That was part of the game. It began that way. The shift happened more or less due queue times (which are not an issue anymore) and possibly balance.
Which is why you shouldn’t listen to people with political agendas.
Unfortunately they are justified, politically and due to gameplay reasons. Japan already have they own MBTs, they don’t need another one, especially a Chinese one (due to unfortunate relations between these two countries.)
They were highly related for years and USSR is pretty much the best fit for Ukraine.
Or do you want Ukraine under Germany for example because they sent them a handful of outdated Leopards LMAO ?
I partially agree with you. That’s why i keep mentioning a Tech Tree rework. There has been an idea suggested that we have nation “folders”. Game-play and aesthetically wise, Ukraine makes more sense in an “eastern bloc”, but putting their modern MBT in the USSR tech tree, that have been designed after the dissolution of Soviet Union is wrong and will be met with political backlash due to obvious reasons.
Why do you expect me to elaborate on this further ?
They’re connected and that’s the only thing that matters as we aren’t playing a real life politics simulator.
I don’t necessarily expect you to expand on this subject, but you made a very broad and subjective political comment. I understand that the game doesn’t mean to be political, but you have to understand that people will view certain decisions as such.
There’s only one stance you can take when discussing Taiwan’s relation to China.
Are they related ? Yes.
Again, a very broad and subjective political comment that can be interpreted very differently depending on who you talk with.
What i’m trying to say, is that the game is political at it’s core, since it’s based on armed conflict between nations, even if these nations are mixed. IRL relations and feeling are still present amongst players.
Political backlash will continue to exist, not because gaijin wants it, but because the game unintentionally makes it political due to poor game mechanics.
If we had a better Tech Tree implementation, with nation folders, were hostile nations such as Russia and Ukraine would be kept separate, it would alleviate undesired political issues. And it could also bring back the realistic battles that were once in the game, by maybe allowing you to make a “NATO lineup” by mixing UK and US vehicles against Russian and Chinese ones, for example.
So adding USSR to Eastern Block?
I just gave an idea. Don’t take it for gospel. The main thing i’m trying to parrot is that the tech tree can be reworked into something better, that will alleviate most political issues.
If this was some sort of a political game that wouldn’t be possible to happen.
Again, politics have no room in video games.
Anyone bringing up politics should be dealt with, as I believe it’s against ToS.
Two countries being related isn’t subjective, it’s factual.
China and Taiwan are connected.
Zimbabwe and Taiwan aren’t (most likely).
No it’s not political, it’s you trying to make it that way.
This game is a vehicle based shooter where those vehicles are made as realistically as possible.
Which is their problem, IRL biases should be kept outside of the game.
And what happens when two nations get their relations fixed or deteriorated, Gaijin gonna move dozens of vehicles from folder to folder just to please some hot headed nationalists ?
Relax dude, it’s only a game.
Yeah and I’m questioning your idea
I think a good way to circumvent this would be to add Ukrainian decals and roundels when it is introduced into the Soviet tree.
I’m of the opinion that Ukraine deserves to be in USSR tree even more than russia, since a majority of popular Soviet tanks have a Ukrainian lineage.
BT series, T-34 family, T-44 family, T-54/54 family, T-64 family, all trace their origins back to Kharkiv, Ukraine.
Other Soviet medium tanks like T-62, T-72, and T-80 are direct successors or based on the Kharkiv tanks.
Politics aside, Ukraine deserves to be in the Soviet tree.
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If this was some sort of a political game that wouldn’t be possible to happen.
Again, politics have no room in video games.
Anyone bringing up politics should be dealt with, as I believe it’s against ToS.
That is all fine and dandy, except the game is unintentionally making political statements, like Taiwan being part of the Chinese tech tree. I understand your sentiment that politics should be kept out, but you must understand that is not possible. And the backlash from the Chinese community against the VT4 proved this.
Two countries being related isn’t subjective, it’s factual.
China and Taiwan are connected.
Zimbabwe and Taiwan aren’t (most likely).
I hope you understand that what you say here doesn’t make much sense. Because you must define this connection/relation. China and Japan are also related, Russia and China are also related, but saying this without explaining that connection is meaningless.
No it’s not political, it’s you trying to make it that way.
This game is a vehicle based shooter where those vehicles are made as realistically as possible.
Which is their problem, IRL biases should be kept outside of the game.
I’m not trying to make it political, it’s the game making in unintentionally. Just because you don’t care about politics, doesn’t mean others will have your view, especially when it concerns two groups of people from modern day countries with hostile relations.
And what happens when two nations get their relations fixed or deteriorated, Gaijin gonna move dozens of vehicles from folder to folder just to please some hot headed nationalists ?
Relax dude, it’s only a game.
Relations between countries don’t just fix overnight, i.e. Japan and China still hostile after more than 70 years, that’s a silly notion. They don’t need to move vehicles from folders to folders if they represent each independent nation better.
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BT series, T-34 family, T-44 family, T-54/54 family, T-64 family, all trace their origins back to Kharkiv, Ukraine.
Those are Soviet/Russian tanks. They were made at Moscow’s approval/funding. The factory location is irrelevant.
Politics aside, Ukraine deserves to be in the Soviet tree.
I understand this, but you must understand that some people will take an issue with this due to current political landscape.
Again, this will only happen because of the outdated representation in tech trees. It was fine when it was only ww2 stuff, but they moved into modern era and brought upon themselves political consequences.
They were designed in Ukraine. The Soviet government is not the Russian government. Either they are Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not get any claim to them except T-44/54. Even then those were only designed in Russia because the Kharkiv factory and staff had to relocate due to the invasion.
Yes I understand
The first T84 prototype was made in 1994 after the collapse of the Soviet Union and by extension the Warsaw pact I don’t know whether or not we should take that into consideration when looking at the T84
I would really like to see a Eastern Europe tech tree with stuff from Poland Lithuania Estonia Ukraine as a separate tree but that’s just my personal opinion
They were designed in Ukraine. The Soviet government is not the Russian government. Either they are Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not get any claim to them except T-44/54. Even then those were only designed in Russia because the Kharkiv factory and staff had to relocate due to the invasion.
Soviet government is Russian government. Moscow took all decisions in the “Union”. Saying they were Ukrainian tanks, imply that they had any decision power or any degree of independence.
Taiwan has closest relations to China so it’s logical it gets added there and not under Germany, France or Italy for example.
It pretty much is possible, just stop thinking about it. It’s only a game.
Connection doesn’t need to be explained as it’s not important.
Do you think I care what some political hot head wants ?
He’s already playing with his US vehicles alongside RU/CN ones while fighting GER/FR/IT, etc.
The fact game isn’t political doesn’t get more clear.
They can very much change overnight with leadership changes.