No it does not imply that, it implies that they were designed and made in Ukraine, which they were.
When indigo dye was made in British India it was known as an Indian product, not British, even though the Indians did not have power in the government.
My guess is geopolitical reasons which will cut into the customer base.
Putting it in a third party (Japan) that is inoffensive to Ukraine, Russia, and USSR is the best bet.
Taiwan has closest relations to China so it’s logical it gets added there and not under Germany, France or Italy for example.
Bro what? 💀 That is a wild thing to say. Opening any news site will very easily disprove that claim.
Connection doesn’t need to be explained as it’s not important.
It is very much important, because that “connection” can either friendly or hostile.
Do you think I care what some political hot head wants ?
He’s already playing with his US vehicles alongside RU/CN ones while fighting GER/FR/IT, etc.
The fact game isn’t political doesn’t get more clear.
It doesn’t matter that the game doesn’t try to get political. It’s all about how the players perceive it. And tagging everyone as “political hothead” is wrong. While the Chinese players can be views that way, the players that spoke against Singapore being added to China are really not in that category.
They can very much change overnight with leadership changes.
I can somewhat agree. But even that “overnight” change has a prelude/build-up.
No it does not imply that, it implies that they were designed and made in Ukraine, which they were.
When indigo dye was made in British India it was known as an Indian product, not British, even though the Indians did not have power in the government.
They were made in Soviet Union. Ukraine didn’t exist at the time.
And regarding your indigo dye analogy, i had to google it because i don’t know anything about it, but it says that it was made in India for centuries, way before colonial era.
You don’t understand what I’m trying to say.
It being friendly or hostile doesn’t matter, as the game isn’t political.
Yeah, the game isn’t trying to be political, but it is due to how the current tech trees are implemented in the game. The VT4 thing happened because it would end up in the Japanese tree, even if it’s actually supposed to be in the Thai “sub-tree”. This could’ve been avoided with better nation representation in tech trees.
vt4 thing happened because people cried super hard about china getting the leo2sg. if certain idiots in the community didnt go full butthurt we would have had chinese leo2sg and japanese vt4. regardless, ‘taiwan’ is the republic of CHINA so no shit sherlock its in the same ‘CHINA’ tech tree as the peoples republic of CHINA lmao
Ukraine existed in the same capacity as Russia under the Soviet Union. Tanks made in Ukraine under the USSR are either Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not have any claim on them. Russia was the same legal entity as Ukraine under the USSR, they had their own tanks such as the KV series.
That does not really matter, India was a subordinate state to Britain in the same way Ukraine was to the USSR, but we don’t say Indigo was a British dye during the colonial period, it was an Indian product.
I guess a better analogy would be the Ram tank, is this not a Canadian tank because it was designed when Canada was not an independent state but a part of the British Empire?
I support VT-4 being added in the game for Thailand.
Same as I support M1A2T for Taiwan and Ukraine under USSR.
People bringing politics with them in this game simply isn’t acceptable.
Ukraine existed in the same capacity as Russia under the Soviet Union.
You can’t possibly believe that. That is a very naive view on the world. Soviet Union was Russia. The capital was Moscow. Kremlin took all decisions, the rest of the SSRs had no voice in the matter. Ukraine SSR didn’t present their tank to the rest of the “Union” “Look at what we made guys.” It was Moscow’s choice to fund and approve the projects.
Implying any agency is to downplay the severity of the oppression at that time.
That does not really matter, India was a subordinate state to Britain in the same way Ukraine was to the USSR, but we don’t say Indigo was a British dye during the colonial period, it was an Indian product.
Why it doesn’t matter? A quick google search already told us that indigo was being made in India way before the British came.
I guess a better analogy would be the Ram tank, is this not a Canadian tank because it was designed when Canada was not an independent state but a part of the British Empire?
No, it wouldn’t be a better analogy. You can’t really compare them. Canada at that time was pretty much independent with the king/queen being symbolic. They conducted their own independent diplomatic affairs. None of the SSRs could do that. It was all Moscow.
I support VT-4 being added in the game for Thailand.
Same as I support M1A2T for Taiwan and Ukraine under USSR.People bringing politics with them in this game simply isn’t acceptable.
But that’s the thing. There is no Thailand in game. “Sub-trees” is what we call vehicles from other nations. But mechanically there is no such feature. There’s is also no representation for modern Taiwan.
Matter of fact. PRC and ROC have no business being in the same tree as at no point in history were they friendly or did any cooperation, even in the Sino-Japanese war, they didn’t cooperate.
Ok man sure, lets agree to disagree, I really do not have the time to argue about why a tank designed and made in Ukraine should or shouldn’t be considered Ukrainian.
Ok man sure, lets agree to disagree, I really do not have the time to argue about why a tank designed and made in Ukraine should or shouldn’t be considered Ukrainian.
Sure. i can agree with you that the location of the factory was in Ukraine, but that’s it. The rest is Soviet.
Sooner or later they will come, both her and other former republics
The first part by itself doesn’t hold much water. Modern Iran has terrible relations with the US. Didn’t stop an IRIAF (Islamic Republic, let’s remember) F14A from making into the US tree, with Soviet missiles, IRIAF livery and all.
They could’ve done a proper Imperial/Shah F14 with its pertinent livery, without R27s and Fakours, which would be the historically correct vehicle for the USA tree, and save the IRIAF version for a future subtree or whatever. Yet they didn’t.
Vehicle wise, it’s 99% the same situation for the T84: an updated T80. A vehicle with USSR origins, upgraded by a modern Ukraine that hasn’t been friendly with its former ‘partner’ for a while now. Yet, this one does not fly by like an Islamic F14 does. Why? There comes the second part of your argument, which really is what matters.
Reality is the player base is composed of MANY that would have an issue with this particular case, and that’s why we won’t see a T84 that would fit in the USSR tree just the same as the Islamic F14 does in the USA one.
I didn’t say it should never be added.
But it is pretty disrespectful to add another sub-tree into a tree with another sub-tree it’s actively at war with. Really bad taste.