So adding USSR to Eastern Block?
I just gave an idea. Don’t take it for gospel. The main thing i’m trying to parrot is that the tech tree can be reworked into something better, that will alleviate most political issues.
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If this was some sort of a political game that wouldn’t be possible to happen.
Again, politics have no room in video games.
Anyone bringing up politics should be dealt with, as I believe it’s against ToS.
Two countries being related isn’t subjective, it’s factual.
China and Taiwan are connected.
Zimbabwe and Taiwan aren’t (most likely).
No it’s not political, it’s you trying to make it that way.
This game is a vehicle based shooter where those vehicles are made as realistically as possible.
Which is their problem, IRL biases should be kept outside of the game.
And what happens when two nations get their relations fixed or deteriorated, Gaijin gonna move dozens of vehicles from folder to folder just to please some hot headed nationalists ?
Relax dude, it’s only a game.
Yeah and I’m questioning your idea
I think a good way to circumvent this would be to add Ukrainian decals and roundels when it is introduced into the Soviet tree.
I’m of the opinion that Ukraine deserves to be in USSR tree even more than russia, since a majority of popular Soviet tanks have a Ukrainian lineage.
BT series, T-34 family, T-44 family, T-54/54 family, T-64 family, all trace their origins back to Kharkiv, Ukraine.
Other Soviet medium tanks like T-62, T-72, and T-80 are direct successors or based on the Kharkiv tanks.
Politics aside, Ukraine deserves to be in the Soviet tree.
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If this was some sort of a political game that wouldn’t be possible to happen.
Again, politics have no room in video games.
Anyone bringing up politics should be dealt with, as I believe it’s against ToS.
That is all fine and dandy, except the game is unintentionally making political statements, like Taiwan being part of the Chinese tech tree. I understand your sentiment that politics should be kept out, but you must understand that is not possible. And the backlash from the Chinese community against the VT4 proved this.
Two countries being related isn’t subjective, it’s factual.
China and Taiwan are connected.
Zimbabwe and Taiwan aren’t (most likely).
I hope you understand that what you say here doesn’t make much sense. Because you must define this connection/relation. China and Japan are also related, Russia and China are also related, but saying this without explaining that connection is meaningless.
No it’s not political, it’s you trying to make it that way.
This game is a vehicle based shooter where those vehicles are made as realistically as possible.
Which is their problem, IRL biases should be kept outside of the game.
I’m not trying to make it political, it’s the game making in unintentionally. Just because you don’t care about politics, doesn’t mean others will have your view, especially when it concerns two groups of people from modern day countries with hostile relations.
And what happens when two nations get their relations fixed or deteriorated, Gaijin gonna move dozens of vehicles from folder to folder just to please some hot headed nationalists ?
Relax dude, it’s only a game.
Relations between countries don’t just fix overnight, i.e. Japan and China still hostile after more than 70 years, that’s a silly notion. They don’t need to move vehicles from folders to folders if they represent each independent nation better.
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BT series, T-34 family, T-44 family, T-54/54 family, T-64 family, all trace their origins back to Kharkiv, Ukraine.
Those are Soviet/Russian tanks. They were made at Moscow’s approval/funding. The factory location is irrelevant.
Politics aside, Ukraine deserves to be in the Soviet tree.
I understand this, but you must understand that some people will take an issue with this due to current political landscape.
Again, this will only happen because of the outdated representation in tech trees. It was fine when it was only ww2 stuff, but they moved into modern era and brought upon themselves political consequences.
They were designed in Ukraine. The Soviet government is not the Russian government. Either they are Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not get any claim to them except T-44/54. Even then those were only designed in Russia because the Kharkiv factory and staff had to relocate due to the invasion.
Yes I understand
The first T84 prototype was made in 1994 after the collapse of the Soviet Union and by extension the Warsaw pact I don’t know whether or not we should take that into consideration when looking at the T84
I would really like to see a Eastern Europe tech tree with stuff from Poland Lithuania Estonia Ukraine as a separate tree but that’s just my personal opinion
They were designed in Ukraine. The Soviet government is not the Russian government. Either they are Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not get any claim to them except T-44/54. Even then those were only designed in Russia because the Kharkiv factory and staff had to relocate due to the invasion.
Soviet government is Russian government. Moscow took all decisions in the “Union”. Saying they were Ukrainian tanks, imply that they had any decision power or any degree of independence.
Taiwan has closest relations to China so it’s logical it gets added there and not under Germany, France or Italy for example.
It pretty much is possible, just stop thinking about it. It’s only a game.
Connection doesn’t need to be explained as it’s not important.
Do you think I care what some political hot head wants ?
He’s already playing with his US vehicles alongside RU/CN ones while fighting GER/FR/IT, etc.
The fact game isn’t political doesn’t get more clear.
They can very much change overnight with leadership changes.
No it does not imply that, it implies that they were designed and made in Ukraine, which they were.
When indigo dye was made in British India it was known as an Indian product, not British, even though the Indians did not have power in the government.
My guess is geopolitical reasons which will cut into the customer base.
Putting it in a third party (Japan) that is inoffensive to Ukraine, Russia, and USSR is the best bet.
Taiwan has closest relations to China so it’s logical it gets added there and not under Germany, France or Italy for example.
Bro what? 💀 That is a wild thing to say. Opening any news site will very easily disprove that claim.
Connection doesn’t need to be explained as it’s not important.
It is very much important, because that “connection” can either friendly or hostile.
Do you think I care what some political hot head wants ?
He’s already playing with his US vehicles alongside RU/CN ones while fighting GER/FR/IT, etc.
The fact game isn’t political doesn’t get more clear.
It doesn’t matter that the game doesn’t try to get political. It’s all about how the players perceive it. And tagging everyone as “political hothead” is wrong. While the Chinese players can be views that way, the players that spoke against Singapore being added to China are really not in that category.
They can very much change overnight with leadership changes.
I can somewhat agree. But even that “overnight” change has a prelude/build-up.
No it does not imply that, it implies that they were designed and made in Ukraine, which they were.
When indigo dye was made in British India it was known as an Indian product, not British, even though the Indians did not have power in the government.
They were made in Soviet Union. Ukraine didn’t exist at the time.
And regarding your indigo dye analogy, i had to google it because i don’t know anything about it, but it says that it was made in India for centuries, way before colonial era.
You don’t understand what I’m trying to say.
It being friendly or hostile doesn’t matter, as the game isn’t political.
Yeah, the game isn’t trying to be political, but it is due to how the current tech trees are implemented in the game. The VT4 thing happened because it would end up in the Japanese tree, even if it’s actually supposed to be in the Thai “sub-tree”. This could’ve been avoided with better nation representation in tech trees.
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vt4 thing happened because people cried super hard about china getting the leo2sg. if certain idiots in the community didnt go full butthurt we would have had chinese leo2sg and japanese vt4. regardless, ‘taiwan’ is the republic of CHINA so no shit sherlock its in the same ‘CHINA’ tech tree as the peoples republic of CHINA lmao.
Ukraine existed in the same capacity as Russia under the Soviet Union. Tanks made in Ukraine under the USSR are either Soviet tanks or Ukrainian tanks, Russia does not have any claim on them. Russia was the same legal entity as Ukraine under the USSR, they had their own tanks such as the KV series.
That does not really matter, India was a subordinate state to Britain in the same way Ukraine was to the USSR, but we don’t say Indigo was a British dye during the colonial period, it was an Indian product.
I guess a better analogy would be the Ram tank, is this not a Canadian tank because it was designed when Canada was not an independent state but a part of the British Empire?
I support VT-4 being added in the game for Thailand.
Same as I support M1A2T for Taiwan and Ukraine under USSR.
People bringing politics with them in this game simply isn’t acceptable.
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Ukraine existed in the same capacity as Russia under the Soviet Union.
You can’t possibly believe that. That is a very naive view on the world. Soviet Union was Russia. The capital was Moscow. Kremlin took all decisions, the rest of the SSRs had no voice in the matter. Ukraine SSR didn’t present their tank to the rest of the “Union” “Look at what we made guys.” It was Moscow’s choice to fund and approve the projects.
Implying any agency is to downplay the severity of the oppression at that time.
That does not really matter, India was a subordinate state to Britain in the same way Ukraine was to the USSR, but we don’t say Indigo was a British dye during the colonial period, it was an Indian product.
Why it doesn’t matter? A quick google search already told us that indigo was being made in India way before the British came.
I guess a better analogy would be the Ram tank, is this not a Canadian tank because it was designed when Canada was not an independent state but a part of the British Empire?
No, it wouldn’t be a better analogy. You can’t really compare them. Canada at that time was pretty much independent with the king/queen being symbolic. They conducted their own independent diplomatic affairs. None of the SSRs could do that. It was all Moscow.
I support VT-4 being added in the game for Thailand.
Same as I support M1A2T for Taiwan and Ukraine under USSR.People bringing politics with them in this game simply isn’t acceptable.
But that’s the thing. There is no Thailand in game. “Sub-trees” is what we call vehicles from other nations. But mechanically there is no such feature. There’s is also no representation for modern Taiwan.
Matter of fact. PRC and ROC have no business being in the same tree as at no point in history were they friendly or did any cooperation, even in the Sino-Japanese war, they didn’t cooperate.