BVR fighter airframe with AIM-7M. Sure it gets 9M but it gets beaten by F-2 and Gripen and doesn’t get an HMD
It is still one of the best 13.0s, with great missiles and one of the best FMs as well
AIM-7 isn’t all that, it’s FM isn’t bad at all but it gets beaten WVR by the F-2 and Gripen, which have equal or better IR’s. I think the Gripen has HMD too. It shouldnt go down but it shouldn’t be 13.3 either
All 3 aircraft probably should be at 13.3 with a 13.3 bracket and 2 of which (3 if you inlcude the F-15J) can all appear on Redfor just as often as they appear on bluefor.
Right? So buff the aircraft instead. like say, buffing BOL up to IRL levels? Throw a few Phimat pods in there as well for things like the Tornado F3s.
The problem with R-Darter (may have been fixed, not used them in 10 months?) is their loft profiles were buggy as hell. It rather than just going for the target that was 5-10km in front of it. It would climb sky high like the target was 50km away and could miss. You had to babysit the missiles really carefully.
Like I said, I know multiple people that just run 6+0 or 4+2 fits on the SAAF Gripen C because they cant be bothered with the R-Darters. Persoanlly. I havent touched it since the Typhoon was added and only really played a handful of matches prior to that and after it got the R-Darters. Did okay, but was annoying to use.
Again… BOL, not that good half the time. Large CM count is pretty much the only thing going for it. When compared to aircraft like the F-16C, Mirage 2K, J-10A, J-11B, F-15C. its pretty outclassed.
(note. Im not actually advocating for it to go down in BR at all. I think 13.7 is about right for it, but if we get another round of decompression. Lots of things would go up, but I dont think the SAAF Gripen C would move all that much. even the Gripen Cs with AMRAAM arent fairing too well at the moment.
Again. I do not recall it really being played all that much when it was first added. Iirc the MICA EM were a buggy mess for months and it only got really really OP when the MICA EM was buffed beginning of this year? I think. ( i cant rememebr when that buffed oocur now)
MP can be mitigated by angling the missile so it comes down on the target. You could sometimes get this to work by lofitng the missile when you fired it, but works best if fired from up high. The same applied way back then. Now I rarely dared do this in the F3, because I would always eat an R-27ER, but if you had the R-27ER… Id have sat off the deck and fired down onto people.
Still works today btw, even mroe so that it did before. I rarely hug the deck in most of the aircraft I play, unless its a mud mover like the Tonka>
Nah, was also boring because it was limited to IR only.
9Ms were even buggier getting lock back then. These days they will semi- work in all-aspects, though lock range still massively underperforming, but im fairly certain they changed something because back then. I only ever got an IR lock in rear-aspect.
Was still stronger than the J-11, Sea Harrier FA2, AV-8B+, Tornado F3 Late, J-8F and F4F ICE added or upgraded with Fox-3 in the same update.
It isn’t all of that, but it gets the job done and is also found on most of the sarh platforms, and while yes F2, F16A and jas39 can beat it in a dogfight, the 15A can also outperform pretty much everything else that it encounters.
Tell that to Morvran
F-15A is pretty even with Gripen depending on fuel state and whether or not it can find opportunity to take advantage of its power to weight ratio.
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I think the HMD does give it an edge though
HMD is hardly worth mentioning with anything equipped with Aim-9M and you can achieve the same marginally off-boresight shots with ACM modes.
How often do you fire Aim-9Ms more than a few degrees off-boresight in something like the F-15E? I rarely do for the Typhoon and its more of QoL thing in ARB than an actual advantage. In ASB, its even harder to use.
Even doing this, the warhead wasn’t big enough to do damage effectively in a 100m radius, hell even today i can multipath 27ERs by flying at 20m of alt completely unfazed.
The same missiles that would grant you the win?
Don’t recall this happening often, or at all
Yea, but those nations also had other platforms as backup
Usa had 16C and 15C
Britain had saaf gripen etc
Russia only had the su27SM
Besised that, the only nation that suffered were china (because gaijin should have added the J11B instead of the A) and germany, since the only other fox 3 platform they could have gotten (of the top of my head) was the typhoon
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F-4S could be 11.7 sure.
But that would lower its rewards slightly.
Same reason why I don’t mind the Su-39 moving up to 12.0 but getting its weapons it’s missing.
Both will we be top at some point.
Reading some of the answers…theres ppl that shouldnt even be allowed to speal…bunch of RB players talking nonsense…zombering in Sim doesnt make you a sim player…also the ridiculous guy claiming the R27ER outperforming fox3?ban this dude from the game and from life too…
A direct hit is a direct hit. Just because its not got the warhead of an Aim-54 doesnt mean it wont kill. I’ve been getting aces in the Tornado F3 recently in ARB by firing down onto people hiding in Multipathing. Its really funny Especially against the 12.7 and 13.0 aircraft i have no buissness even really seeing.
Not really. Aim-9M was better back then solely because people hadnt mastered how to defeat it, soon as they did, R-73 and Magic II were a lot stronger, just like now.
The same thing happened with AMRAAM. Was the best because people didnt know how to defend, so long ranged shots were effective. These days. R-77 are probably overall better and defiently R-77-1s are a lot better given that long ranged shots only work against AFK and bad players.
Even to this day. I dont really consider them an all-aspect missile. Its best to use them in rear-aspect.
Neither China or Germany had anything better and as I already explained. R-Darters are tenatively worse than R-77, with a much smaller missile count.
Right. Exactly. Typhoon andRafale was gunna come the moment the Su-27SM and F-15C MSIP II were added.
It was the only thing that European nations could get.
Still surprised the Gripen E hasnt been added yet.
Doesn’t the Navy version of Agile Eagle cause more speed bleed, on top of the S being a heavier naval phantom? I think the J and S could be the same BR without much issue
I gotta save this. Lol
I haven’t noticed much a difference. Granted I’ve never flown the J.
The F-4S has never given me a problem whether it’s bombing or fighting. Dogfighting is sketchy, but if your doing that in an F-4… your already messing up the program.
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That’s sort of what I’m getting at, I mean afaik the S and J are the same outside of the slats and the slats only really make you win against an F-4 without slats
Anyway. This thread is jsut redfor copium.
The solution is not to move even more 13.3s down to 13.0. The solution is to add a 12.3-13.3 bracket such as this:
Even gave 13.3 2x brackets per week, instead of 1, even though I could have made this with 13.0 getting 2x brackets
Just need to move some 13.0s back up to 13.3 and then maybe even move some 12.7s up to 13.0.
I know this means that Redfor would have a fair fight for a change. Instead of the steamroll one-sided fights they are use to at 11.3/11.7 like they for some reason want at 13.0. But this will mean that 13.0 aircraft can actually have a downtier bracket as well. Instead of just making 13.0 into a 13.3 bracket forcing all 13.0s to eventually be lowered to 12.7.
You cant decompress by moving things down.
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Unless it’s a British plane*
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im screen shotting this, for anytime you complain that the Brit’s aren’t superior in every manner