So what does the Kfir C10 do when all 4 of its Derbies are defeated through the use of MP, terrain masking and notching?
Pretty much all the 13.0 ARH slingers are weaker than the 13.0 SARH slingers and can just about hold their own against the IR slingers. But the moment that M4K gets in range. Through any number of different tactics. It will only take 1x Magic II to kill that Kfir C10.
Beat you in WVR presumably because its straight up just a better aircraft besides the Magic 2s.
Because R-27ERs cant be notched reliably due to the performance of the aircraft radars and the IOG. As well as their speeds.
Meanwhile all ARH missiles are incredibly easy to notch due to only having to defeat the seekers in the missiles. Which are stupidly easy to defeat, especially if you have decent CMs, like say, in the M4K with large caibre CMs.
Would figure someone who has claimed to have played this game so much would know the difference between an SARH and ARH missiles and also know that R-27ERs massive outperform the weakest ARH missile in game. The Derby. You would also especially think you would that the Kfir having AESA makes absolutely 0 difference to the performance of the Derby.
And if the Su-27’s R-27ERs get defeated, it can fall back to R-73s and R-27ETs. What does tke Kfir C10 have to use after running out of Derbys?
With what?
Guns?
They are the strongest non irccm missile.
So what does the Su27 do when it’s 27ERs are defeated through the use of mP, terrain masking and notching?
Use it’s IR missiles?
So what does happen when it’s R27ET’s get accidentally flared and R73s preflared or just straight up flared?
Beat you in a gunfight?
So what does happen when the vast majority of the things it fights, out do it in terms of FM?
No. They really aren’t.
R-27ET are R-24T have stronger seekers. and the Python 3 and MAA-1 have similar/identical seeker performance whilst being stronger kinmetically when used in the right way. So Aim-9L is the 5th strongest All-aspect missile, with the R-60M at number 6
But even if 9Ls are the strongest. They still lack meaningful kinematic performance to be of much use in short range dogfights and they can still be defeated by 1 flare 99% of the time in any aspect.
This is with BOL Chaff which you keep coping about being the worst chaff in the game by such a wide margin that it’s basically unusable.
Yes. It can carry 10x Missiles. If you miss with 4x R-27ERs and 2x R-27ETs, you still have 4x R-73s and HMD to use. That is means the Su-27s minimum number of IR missiles it can carry is the same amount as all of the missiles aircraft like the Kfir C10 can carry.
And if you have failed to kill your desired target with 10 of some of the best missiles in game. Then I would recommend just not playing that BR.
Same thing other missiles trucks at every other BR does. Run away.
This idea that the only thing that matters is who can win in a gunfight is baffling to me. Why are we judging the performance of jets designed to be using missiles to the same standard as WW2 props designed to use guns?
And by that logic. Lets move the Tornado F3s down a full BR. If the only thing that matters is who will win in a gunfight. The F3 should be about 11.0/11.3
I call you got lucky. You got lucky you somehow managed to defeat the radar on the Su-33, but you also had the FM to pull extreme maneuvers. I’ve had Mig-29 and Su-27 radars ignoring 200 large chaff dropped by a Torando Gr4 in a notch. And yet the exact same notch against an Aim-120B, would instantly defeat it.
Likewise, can defeat F-4s, F-18s, F-16s, etc etc all firing missiles at me in the F3. But a Mig-29, Su-33, Su-27, etc? 95% chance its R-27ER will hit.
Raw Speed, IOG and DL is just an OP combo.
Or a derby? Or a python? Not that difficult. Even guns only there is no real reason the kfir should lose.
Okay. so it has a decent FM. It still has an exceptionally limited missile count and no IRCCM.
It also has quite a small CM count for the BR. with only 72 standard CMs.
That is how it is balanced. Excluding the F-4F ICE. All 13.0 Fox-3 slingers have 2 of the following weakness.
Kfir C10 has no IRCCM and limited missile count
Viggen Di has no IRCCM and poor equipment (terrible RWR)
FA2 is Subsonic and limited missile count
etc etc
Just because the Kfir, Viggen, FA2, etc etc have a fox 3, doesnt mean they should go up in BR. Likewise, just because the M4K with its 6-8x best IR Missile in the game cant always beat 1 of those fox-3 slingers doesn’t mean it needs to go down in BR. Nor does it mean the Su-27 would be balanced at 13.0.
Its hard enough trying to play the few 12.3/12.7 and 13.0 aircraft I have against things like the F4F-ICE, Mig-29, Yak 141, etc without also dealing with something with OP missiles in large quantities like the Su27.
My guy I demonstrated the technique more than once… it’s not luck.
Do you even play the game? The only time I’ve seen you play you failed at notching and then spent the next 10 minutes complaining about the Eurofighter being bad.
That was what?
8 motnhs ago when the Typhoon didnt have a radar, was massively underperforming in FM, RWR didnt have full coverage, etc etc.
But anyway, Im done with this thread. Just redfor wanting to dominate.
Fact: Su-27 would dominate 13.0 if it moved down and owuld require most 13.0s down to 12,7
Fact: BOL IS NERFED and needs to be fixed
Fact: R-27ER is OP and needs to be nerfed.
Simple. Even you can understand that
The OG Fox-3 slinger not being mentioned hurts :(
Justice for the F-14A/A IRIAF/B ✊
Why?
F-14A, IRIAF and F-14B all lack IRCCM, dont have that good of an RWR iirc and all have pretty weak radars and if you exclude the F-14B. Also have very limited CM count.
They fit the same criteria.
ICE is the only exception as its:
Its only weakness is a limited CM count, though usable if managed right.
Not really. A competent Su-27 player will win maybe 80% of engagements, though it won’t be easy since other planes on Blufor are mostly ARH carriers and/or have superior FMs. No matter your opinion(s) on the R-27E missiles, ARH > SARH any day of the week (and this is before we get into the sucky details about the Su-27 itself).
BOL pods can only carry small countermeasures? Literally what it was designed for? Not really a nerf though is it? It’s only fixing a past inaccuracy.
A fast missile… is fast? What’s really the issue here?
Are you still trying to debate with him? He has no idea what he’s talking about. I remember to this day when FOX 3 and the Su27SM were released in the game, he asked to add Rafales and Eurofighters to combat the Su27SM.
Except they dont. At 13.0. The bluefor ARH slingers are the Harriers, F-14s and the Kfir. Thats it.
Most of what the Su-27 would be fighting is F-15As, F-18A/Cs and F-16As. So its R-27ER vs Aim-7M/P. Also R-27ER is good enough to meaningfully threaten most ARH slingers. Its far closer in relative performance to an AMRAAM than a Aim-.
BOL Flares should have similar performance to Large Calibre flares. Currently they have around 1/2 the luminosity of regular flares.
BOL Chaff should likely be near identical in performance to regular chaff Its current 1/4 the size
BOL is underperforming signficantly compared to IRL:
DL shouldnt work like it does and it likely wasnt anywhere near that fast IRL
People asking for an actual capable plane, to be lowered and be balanced and enjoyable–> just redfor wanting to dominate
Yea lmao
This is just something that you want to believe, and is wrong
So how should it be fixed exactly? Do you just want an aura shield that grants complete invulnerability to enemy missiles? Because that’s pretty much what it was during gripen meta before it was nerfed.
It can be defeated in the same way as every other missile
