Why no Su27S flanker at 13.0 yet?

[FeetPics]

@Morvran_

Except for the fact they have weaker missiles

The same IR missile and a slightly better radar missile while also having worse engines.

@Morvran_

Because no one plays the British Phantoms. Mig-23ML still outnumbers the British Phantoms about 3:1 most matches and the Mig-23ML is stronger than the British Phantoms.

But people do play the British phantoms? It’s their most popular 11.3 plane. The British phantom population is half that of the MiG-23MLD population in spite of having a much smaller overall playerbase.

Of course it’s going to be outnumbered if you don’t count the other players on your team. America makes up the
bulk of blue side players.

@Morvran_

Because premium players are bad. Doesnt mean the aircraft is bad.

This still doesn’t change the reality that most premium planes are flown by premium players. Why do you think the MiG-23ML premium averages 1/2 the kills per spawn as the tech tree equivalent?

[Morvran]

@FeetPics

a slightly better radar missile

E2s are only slightly worst than Aim-7Fs?

@FeetPics

while also having worse engines.

Only at sea level. If you climb, at all in the British Phantoms, which you want to do otherwise you will be completely outclassed by the Mig-23s hiding in MP, then there is no difference in engine performance. If anything the standard F-4 engines are better at alt.

@FeetPics

It’s their most popular 11.3 plane.

Correciton. Its their only 11.3 plane. FRS1 should be 11.0 and barely anyone touches it as a result. The Harrier T10 is okay, but its a subsonic mud mover.

@FeetPics

Of course it’s going to be outnumbered if you don’t count the other players on your team. America makes up the
bulk of blue side players.

and what are they in?

F-5Es and F-4Es.

Not really much to write home about.

[quartas121]

@Morvran_

and what are they in?

F-5Es and F-4Es.

Not really much to write home about.

so move F-4J and S to 11.3

[Morvran]

Yep, to be honest, why not at this point. Mig-23MLD is equal to them, so no point leaving them at 12.0. Or even just 11.7 so they had more than 1 downtier rotation.

[FeetPics]

@Morvran_

E2s are only slightly worst than Aim-7Fs?

At the distances you launch in sim due to pdv radar there really isn’t a material difference. But even if they are significantly better than the E2…is that really a bad thing? Your complaint is MiG-23ML is stomping blue teams.

@Morvran_

Only at sea level. If you climb, at all in the British Phantoms, which you want to do otherwise you will be completely outclassed by the Mig-23s hiding in MP, then there is no difference in engine performance. If anything the standard F-4 engines are better at alt.

Chart is acceleration at 7500m. The two fast planes are the Brit Phantoms.

@Morvran_

Correciton. Its their only 11.3 plane. FRS1 should be 11.0 and barely anyone touches it as a result. The Harrier T10 is okay, but its a subsonic mud mover.

This is also wrong.

@Morvran_

and what are they in?

F-5Es and F-4Es.

Not really much to write home about.

Both of those are good planes. What’s the issue?

[Morvran]

@FeetPics

This is also wrong.

So what 11.3s do Britain have then?

FRS1 is a 11.0 aircraft that would be weak even at that BR.

Harrier T10 is okay, but its a subsonic mud mover that the Mig-23MLD can easily dictate a fight with due easily defeated missiles. Let alone the IR issues that make all Harriers extremely vulnerable to all IR Missiles.

F-111C which should be 11.7 alongside the F-111F since it got buffed, but the devs kinda just forgot about it. its also a mud mover.

So that just leaves the FGR2 and FG1 if you actually want to play A2A at 11.3.

[FeetPics]

Just because the planes aren’t at the BR that you think they should be doesn’t change the fact of their actual BR placement.

[Normandy_Corsair]

it was really fun facing the Kfir C10 in my Mirage 4K yesterday… same BR

[Morvran]

8x Magic II vs 2x Python 3 and 2x Derby?

[Normandy_Corsair]

you mean 4 derbies? Also my loadout is 2x 530D and 6x magic 2…

[Morvran]

And just because Gaijin likes slapping British aircraft with a higher BR doesnt mean they are competitive at said higher BR.

FRS1 vs Mig-23MLD is not balanced in any way, despite the fact Gaijin for some reason believes that to be the case.

[Morvran]

Okay. no IR missiles and 4 derbies.

Just fly low, MP is still oppresively high and unless the Kfir C10 is sat at 20k ft. You should still win that fight most of the time

And if he is sat at 20k ft, just notch

[Normandy_Corsair]

I was playing on Afghanistan? Either way you’re insanely wrong. Kfir C10 is just purely a better vehicle save for the IR missiles.

[Morvran]

Oh, the easiest map to defeat ARH slingers on?

[Normandy_Corsair]

“Just multipath dumbass!”

“I am playing on afghanistan…”

“oH, ThE EasIeSt MaP tO dEfEaT ArH SliNgErS oN?”

[FeetPics]

FRS1 is a naval strike fighter with 4 Aim-9Ls.
What other planes at similar BR have that many 9Ls?

This is like arguing A-10 should fight flareless planes because it can’t catch up to supersonic fighters.

[Morvran]

Flat maps = MP

Mountainous maps = Terrain masking.

Terrain masking is way more effective than MP.

As you know, a Derby or any ARH or even SARH. Cant fly through a mountain

[Normandy_Corsair]

Yeah, no point discussing this with you when you’re trying to imply you think the M4K beats the C10 and you’re just going to mental gymnastic your way into any preconceived endpoint thought you’ve already concluded

[FeetPics]

Morvran when potential R-27ER on mostly flat water map guided by mech radar…

“No…notching and multipath doesn’t work”

Morvran when ARH guided by AESA radar on mountain map…

“Just multipath bro”

[Morvran]

@FeetPics

FRS1 is a naval strike fighter with 4 Aim-9Ls.

Its not a strike aircraft. Its a naval fighter.

@FeetPics

What other planes at similar BR have that many 9Ls?

A-10A at 10.7 as 4x Aim-9Ls.

Su-17M4/Su-22 have 6x R-60M at 11.0 on supersonic platforms

Even compared to the Harrier T10 at 11.3 its outclassed as the T10 has more CMs, better FM (including a far more powerful and easier to manage engine) and a much better gun. As well as rear-aspect MAWS and a better RWR.

@FeetPics

This is like arguing A-10 should fight flareless planes because it can’t catch up to supersonic fighters.

what?

FRS1 is 100% identical to the FRS1e. Except it gets 4x 9Ls instead of 2. Going from 2x 9Ls to 4x 9Ls should increase BR by 0.7 and in ARB it doesnt.

With all the massive nerfs the Harriers have to deal with at the moment. the FRS1 has no where near the performance to fight something like a Mig-23MLD which can defeat 9Ls with single flare drops.

9Ls are really bad at the moment and are way too easy to defeat.