It’s not an R-77-1 it’s an R-77 both are easy to defeat tbh
doesnt matter.
soviet’s shouldnt be treated differently from others
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yes and no. Being reactive instead of pre-flare, some non IRCCM missiles would still have a good chance of hitting. At least this is what I do against Su-25SM3s with identical MAWS.
Or as you said, just use your gun. 90% of my Su-25 kills are with guns not missiles.
Right, unless they are mutlipathing. At which point. Like the A-10, your best weapon becomes guns.
Your right, they dont. But also no aircraft above the A-10 is as slow as the A-10.
Pre-flare an Aim-9M and the seeker shutoff will prevent you from firing or the missile will go for flares or will switch off and be all the easier to defeat.
Pre-flare an R-73 and it will go for the flare.
In either case, the 9M and R-73 are both defeated by pre-flaring.
In terms of A2G weapons, then the Su-25s get 16x Vikhrs which have prox making them rather usable against Air targets. Su-25SM3 even gets KH-38MTs which massively outperform AGM-65s. As for GBU-39s… those could be mitigated with improved ground vehicle AIs and having them actually move rather than being static. Its unfair to blame the A-10C for what is a symptom of ASB not being updated in years.
Again, as above. Bad map/gamemode design shouldnt result in aircraft being over BRed. Otherwise perhaps the Mig-23s should be 12.0 because with how OP Napalm is at the moment the Mig-23s make better base bombers than the Tonkas
tbf a subsonic platform with ARH missiles are still unprecedented we have 3rd gens with newer Fox-3 missiles and they are 13.0
but we dont have any subsonic platform with Fox-3s yet
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theres 3 harriers…
Only 2 and slow speed “might” be enough to keep it at 12.7, but yeah, below that… not a chance
oh yeah you are right
i forgot they exist, you just barely see them
Not sure why we are talking about the A-10 in a thread about the Su-27.
Nevertheless, the A-10C is far and away better than the Su-25 series of planes in Air SB. I have ruined more than my fair share of lobbies with it on my PlayStation. The Scorpion guy is probably familiar because I’ve blown up his lobby on more than a few occasions.
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I’m glad you agree. So let’s get nerfing to all the other nations!
We can’t have the Su-27 at 13.0 because Bluefor would have to try for once.
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Well from my research, it’s actually missing its chaff / flare / ECM jammer on that final pylon. But no vehicle has that either.
It’s missing:
R-77s
R-27ER/ET
A few long range agms
But the A-10C according to most things / and people I’ve talked with has all of its armaments.
Just like we cant have More F-4s at 11.3 because Redfor would have to try for once.
The F-4S is great. I have a great time smacking SU-39s with SARH. And is 12.0 your point?
Mig-23MLD is 11.3.
If the Mig-23MLD is 11.3, then the F4J(US) should be 11.3.
Otherwise its just redfor handholding
It probably should be. You probably won’t get a lot of opposition to moving them down if you made your own thread.
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Would just result in Mig-23MLs ending up at 11.0
The British phantoms are already better than the 12.0 Phantoms and they are not forcing the MiG-23ML series of planes down. They barely average 1:1 for kill death ratios and adding the American equivalent at the same BR is going to be cannon fodder due to premium players.
The fact that you immediately deflect to unsubstantiated nonsense when someone is willing to agree with you or suggest a productive course of action makes it seem like the only point you want to cling to is the rote repetition that Britain suffers.
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Except for the fact they have weaker missiles
Because no one plays the British Phantoms. Mig-23ML still outnumbers the British Phantoms about 3:1 most matches and the Mig-23ML is stronger than the British Phantoms.
Because premium players are bad. Doesnt mean the aircraft is bad.
I like how this thread got off topic and is now going in circles lol
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