Ive seen 2 different sources.
1 that claims it could carry 6 or 8 R-73s and another that says only 2. Im inclined to trust the second source more, but the 2x R-73 source did also show R-27Rs which might be okay for 11.7/12.0
actually it might be x4 r73s, although to be fair this is an inert/training missile, not a live one. the r-77 is also not a live missile, it’s also inert/trianing, but the aircraft can for sure carry 27ers/rs due to the brochure for it
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wait i might be confused, does the su25 have a 6th pylon?
here a image with the r-27 and r-77
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yeah but that’s inert, the brochure only lists 27r/er
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okay so it should get at least 4x r73 or 4x r27er/r
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It cant.
not together, ofc actual load out is 2x 73s and 4xr27r
2 R-73 and 2 R-27.
why, can’t it carry r27 on r77 pylon in the image ron sent?
4x27r or ig r77 on second outermost and 3rd outermost pylon, and then r73 on outermost pylon
that gonna be 4 missiles total. 2 current R-73 and 2 R-27 that you want.
outer pylons R-73 is just a mockup, nothing more.
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alright that’s what i was kinda expecting considering the 73 shown is an inert one
What does this mean exactly?
Any non irccm missile will get instaflared the moment it gets fired, and after a certain distance you might as well use the guns.
Then it can be multipathed, and you can do the same against Su39s.
You launch a radar guided missile at them and suddenly the IRCM is in shambles
It is still a bonus, and is something that the vast majority of planes at the same BR or even higher do not have.
Preflaring works differently between seeker shutoff and gatewidth
Yes they do, and not specifically talking about a2a missiles either, but mavericks too and especially the GBU-39 which can wipe out an entire ground battle in just one pass, nuking the opposite team’s tickets.
Oh don’t even get me started on how the A10C can just wipe out the entire AA defense of an airfield to the point it can literally do gun strafes on the runway against the poor souls that are trying to take off
You can, but generally the A10 is a better dogfighter than the su25, unless it deploys combat flaps (then its debatable)
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anyhow, this is getting a bit off topic
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No?
R-77s would be 12.3 honestly could be 12.0, because you have to give up your R-73s to slot them.
R-27s would be 12.0 they replace the slot of the Vikhirs.
As i said in my first post, moving the flanker down to 13.0 would give ussr an actual competent plane to fight the hordes of powercreep meta mobiles and would also help increasing the winrates of red side at the BR.
It would be pretty strong sure, most likely even one of the best, but certainly not the best, and certainly wouldn’t be in no way unbalanced nor broken.
it should be 13.0 regardless of a 13.3 bracket
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Yeah interchangeably. But people @Morvran forget you have to give up a lot of weaponry to carry those R-27s, and have to give up your IR R-73s to carry the R-77s. Given you also them have to carry the radar, and hope you can get a lock due to your slim lock regions.
4x r77s is not 12.3, at least 13.0 ngl
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even 2 should be 13.0.
any amount of “modern” arh should be 13.0+
Think of the platform, not the weapon. And it can only carry 2 R-77s