I’m just saying that US has options for 13.3 so blue for wouldn’t be totally outclassed in a 13.3 bracket
Or how about giving its misisng 352 large calibres flares, 432 missing Large calibre chaff, Aim-120C5s, missing ITR, etc etc.
Advocating for a weak aircraft to be artificially nerfed seems like a really wierd take for someone normally obsessed for aircraft to be at IRL performance, even if the sources he uses are wrong half the time
Right, but that might too much work for gaijin. I’d still love to see the rumored fox bat. Mig-25 would be in a very odd placement.
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yeah, it might end up event or sqv because of it. the MiG-31 and its variants are much better suited for WT though
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Aren’t they pretty much the same role though?
And ngl with how many zombers are on bluefor, I think it has a role lol.
So does this mean the Sea Harrier FA2 can go down to 12.7 because Britain doesnt have a single 12.7?
Or the F-16AM or Mriage 2K-5F can go down to 13.3 because France doesnt have a single 13.3?
Or the Viggen DI can go down to 12.7 because Sweden doesnt have a single 12.3 or 12.7 aircraft?
or the Netz can go down to 12.7 because Israel doesnt have a single 12.7? (though this should happen ebcause its basically identical to the F-16As already at 12.7)
Why you need something at every single BR is beyond me…
Especially as with the changes Im advocating for, instead of getting 1x new decently playable aircraft, you would actually walk away with 4 (Mig-23SMT, Su-33, Su-34 and Su-27)
Just give the soviets a 13.0 Premium of some description. Like a Mig-29K?
the huge PESA radar, much better performance at lower altitudes, it has a gun unlike the 25, it has a much better armament. they are the same role but the 31 is going to be way better
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The irony here is you keep shooting down all his opinions, then he makes a new one to satisfy you, and you do it all over again.
Well if that’s the case, make the fox bat like 11.0 and the 31 11.7 or 12.0
I think it would still be neat to see them both some day. Even if the fox is just missiles only.
If the buffs are possible then why don’t you go and make a bug report for them.
And i can’t advocate for buffs when i’m not given any source at hand to support said buffs
Mig-25 would be hard to balanced, but something Mach 3? capable, shouldnt be at a BR where it will often see subsonics.
12.0 would be pushing it a bit.
They have already been submitted. Many of them years ago. Like the BOL buffs were reported 18 months ago and Phimat was reported earlier than that.
99% of the “buffs” ive mentioned have been reported. Most of them internally by Gunjob.
For the F3
Those are BOL:
read this thread: It's time for Gaijin to finally reverse the ahistorical nerf to BOL countermeasures [Poll]
Phimat:
Tornado F3 with Phimat pod on extra wing pylon (top wing in the image, the other wing is TRD that wont be modeled to be functional yet):
Spoiler
or mounted in place of fuel tanks:
It could also be mounted in place of an Aim-9, but I dont have an image for that.
Last we heard from the devs, F3 is slated to get Phimat pods but wouldnt be straight away. That was more than a year ago, so it should hopefully be soon.
as for the FM. Plenty of sources exist, though I dont have them on hand, but Gaijin said they couldnt be bothered to actually fix the FM anymore and are just going to leave it in a half finished state. Gunna try and bug them about that again in the future.
Other buffs like C5s can be easily sourced if you look up the Tornado F3 FSP.
Don’t you dare
Got a better idea for a 12.7/13.0 premium? (genuine question, navalised Mig-29 seems like a sensible option)
All naval mig29s would get r-77s, and 4 r-27s and the yak 41 radar, so I doubt they can be 13.0. They can add a mig-29s 9.13 which is a upgrade package to the mig 29 in the Russian tt that can carry r-27er and r-77 irl, but gaijin can just give it r-73s as the 13.0 equivalent to the 29g (still slightly worse than the 29g cause worse engines and slightly heavier, but other than that its a good equivalent imo)
Technically image of mig 29m but it has the same hard point options as navalized mig29 so it works
those are real low BR. i can see 11.7-12.3 for the 25 and 13.0-14.3 for the 31 depending on weapons and variant
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Not necessarily. Swiss F-18 should have AMRAAM but doesnt. Loads of aircraft should have things like 9Ls but dont. etc etc.
There is no reason why they couldnt add a navalised Mig-29 with R-73 and R-27Es
Also, there seem to be the option for adding a late variant too:
So loadout wise. cna be anything, though yeah, a direct Mig-29G equivalent would work too.
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Id guess about the same for both.
The EM diagram that you can find for it online shows ITR of 18 degrees per second. The plane is already capable of that.
ITR of around 18 degrees per second for bleed rate of -200 meters per second according to primary source.
In game ITR is around 18 degrees per second with flaps up.
It increases to around 20 degrees per second with flaps down.
So what are your sources that it’s underperforming?
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You would need to speak to fireball but the bug reports are here:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/G0hNRVTt9FPG
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9OpdpbD16gvm
They were closed due to the game engine not being able to model them any better. As you can see low speed STR is underperforming but more importantly ITR at all speeds is underperforming.
They also have too much drag which has eaten a chunk of the max speed as well. We should be like 0.2-0.3 mach faster than we are currently at sea level. Let alone if you include combat thrust which is currently modeled for the Mig-23Bis
But Again.
First things first is to replace the 320 micro-CMs with full performance BOL and add 1-2 Phimat pods.
After that, weapon buffs are available for both 12.0 one and the 13.3 one if needed. (heck, could make the F3 Late into a 14.0+ if you wanted. Technically… it did mount and fire Meteor)
And in the future TRD and other game mechanics not currently modeled. Heck Tornado F3 vs Su-27SM would be rather unfair IRL as the Su-27SM wouldnt actually be able to use their radar once the F3 had locked on as it 100% jammed it.