That was what?
8 motnhs ago when the Typhoon didnt have a radar, was massively underperforming in FM, RWR didnt have full coverage, etc etc.
But anyway, Im done with this thread. Just redfor wanting to dominate.
Fact: Su-27 would dominate 13.0 if it moved down and owuld require most 13.0s down to 12,7
Fact: BOL IS NERFED and needs to be fixed
Fact: R-27ER is OP and needs to be nerfed.
Simple. Even you can understand that
The OG Fox-3 slinger not being mentioned hurts :(
Justice for the F-14A/A IRIAF/B ✊
Why?
F-14A, IRIAF and F-14B all lack IRCCM, dont have that good of an RWR iirc and all have pretty weak radars and if you exclude the F-14B. Also have very limited CM count.
They fit the same criteria.
ICE is the only exception as its:
Its only weakness is a limited CM count, though usable if managed right.
Not really. A competent Su-27 player will win maybe 80% of engagements, though it won’t be easy since other planes on Blufor are mostly ARH carriers and/or have superior FMs. No matter your opinion(s) on the R-27E missiles, ARH > SARH any day of the week (and this is before we get into the sucky details about the Su-27 itself).
BOL pods can only carry small countermeasures? Literally what it was designed for? Not really a nerf though is it? It’s only fixing a past inaccuracy.
A fast missile… is fast? What’s really the issue here?
Are you still trying to debate with him? He has no idea what he’s talking about. I remember to this day when FOX 3 and the Su27SM were released in the game, he asked to add Rafales and Eurofighters to combat the Su27SM.
Except they dont. At 13.0. The bluefor ARH slingers are the Harriers, F-14s and the Kfir. Thats it.
Most of what the Su-27 would be fighting is F-15As, F-18A/Cs and F-16As. So its R-27ER vs Aim-7M/P. Also R-27ER is good enough to meaningfully threaten most ARH slingers. Its far closer in relative performance to an AMRAAM than a Aim-.
BOL Flares should have similar performance to Large Calibre flares. Currently they have around 1/2 the luminosity of regular flares.
BOL Chaff should likely be near identical in performance to regular chaff Its current 1/4 the size
BOL is underperforming signficantly compared to IRL:
DL shouldnt work like it does and it likely wasnt anywhere near that fast IRL
People asking for an actual capable plane, to be lowered and be balanced and enjoyable–> just redfor wanting to dominate
Yea lmao
This is just something that you want to believe, and is wrong
So how should it be fixed exactly? Do you just want an aura shield that grants complete invulnerability to enemy missiles? Because that’s pretty much what it was during gripen meta before it was nerfed.
It can be defeated in the same way as every other missile
Depends if it’s accurate in it’s current form at the moment. If it is, keep it as is and balance what carries it through the BR system/
I agree. Gaijin just needs to add a 13.3 bracket, and move the F-4F ICE to 13.3 and then we would probably all be content with that BR.
Right? And?
When did Germany, Italy, Britain or France get something to counter the Su-27SM?
December, last year with the Typhoon and Rafale.
Can’t we just beg for a 13.3 BR bracket instead of moving a potentially OP plane to 13.0?
Making them equal to regular size flares would be a good start, but I have heard that they are better than large calibre conventional flares IRL.
I’ve seen good sources showing that the tactic to fire the missile and then delock, shoudlnt work. The moment the radar is switched off, the DL shoudlnt switch back on again and I’ve seen fairly good sources showing the max speed is probably too high.
Yep. Making 13.0 worse than it already is, just seems like shooting yourself in the foot. Though I would enjoy the FA2 being 12.7
Besides germany, all the other countries had Gripens and Mirage 2Ks, both of which were better than the 27SM at the time
All the information you need to know:
But if gaijin really cares about things being historically accurate. There is only one thing they can do which is actually model BOL properly. Its stupid to not have usable CMs on things like the F3, Viggen and Harriers just because a few people compalined about the Gripen 18 months ago and still think that BOL would be too strong even though the game is radically different.
No they weren’t.
SAAF Gripen was and still is, weaker than the Su-27SM due to the shockingly bad state of R-Darter. Most did and I know a few who still do, basically run only Aim-9M
Italy was okay with the Hungarian Gripen
(though both nations really needed a native vehicle and not a sub-TT vehicle for top tier)
and Mriage 2K5F was only good after the massive MICA EM buff earlier this year. I never recall it being considered all that good before then. Also iirc, MICA EM were a really buggy mess when first added.
and thats onyl after we got Fox-3s.
Before then, You still had R-27ER vs IR only aircraft. One aircraft dominated BVR, which was the Su-27SM
The Typhoon radar has always been better than the Su-27 radar. This is doubly true when radar scan patterns were bugged. The FM has also been the best in the game since it was added; maybe bar for the first week.
Very much doubt it. We already meta with Su-27 against other 13.0s and it lost the vast majority of the time. Reducing multipathing to 60m makes it stronger but also makes ARH stronger. Everyone sticking to sea level flat maps largely offsets it.
Radar off Aim-9M slinger with good FM is still strongest planes at 13.0.
Nerfed BOL does fine at defeating ARH and SARH missiles. I have shown both use cases and still commonly use BOL equipped planes.
Did you not see missile miss from BOL Chaff? Do you think F-16 etc would have more difficulty with larger chaff?
People just want the game to be interesting. Having pure USA vs USA bracket is actually hot garbage. I made MiG-29 video about a week ago and both sides are mostly premium NATO planes. It’s boring. Doubly so when NATO players j-out as soon as they merge and aren’t immediately winning.
The Gripen says hello? The Mirage 2000 also says hello?
Germany never even had to fight Su-27 since it’s always on red side.
But how would it be op if there are already better things than it at a lower BR?
and people have been begging for additional brackets for months and yet no response, so realistically speaking, the chance of lowering a singular plane is much greater than creating an entire new bracket
Gripen and eurofighter have no problem with current BOL, and just imagine what would happen with something like the F/A-18C MLU 2 with 1200 large caliber countermeasures (to say it would be invulnerable would just be downplaying the issue)
The whole BOL issue could be solved just by having reinforced flares again so that one press of button deploys 2 sets of flares. That would keep BOL from being 5 minute long invincibility shield like old days.
No it wasnt.
It was weaker, much weaker for the first month or 2 and then about equal until last major update where it got some fixes.
And they were just as bugged for the Typhoon
No it wasn’t. Took a few months to get it sorted, though even now its underperforming by a notable amount.
No, you have shown BOL performing okay, under ideal conditions in some of the best performing aircraft equipped with BOL.
Tornado F3, Viggen D/DI, Harriers, need full strength BOL, This is none negotiable. If CM can now be changed for the sake of balance. Then the Mig-23s should have their large calibre CMs reduced to regular CMs for balancing reasons.
Again, you got lucky, I have had Su-27 radars totally ignore large calibre chaff in a notch before. And yet can reliably defeat every single other missile and radar in game. Pretty much the number 1 thing I die to whenever I play the Tornado Gr4 in either ARB or ASB. Can defeat everything else with ease, including all ARH.
I agree, 12.7 was boring when it was US vs US. It still is with the German F-18 now.
But what I also dont want is 3 vs 16 at 13.0 because Su-27 is just dominating. Hard enough as it is getting into a fun 13.0 match without a load of F4F ICEs spawn camping.
They should let us make custom countermeasure patterns, maybe even adjustable during the game
