@CinnamonToePunch
Mig-21Bis, which flies better than Mig-21MF:
And both pull 11Gs instantaneous.
Energy retention is extremely important in dogfights as it allows faster sustained turns.
I see @HighRiskNoReward is also claiming most experts are wrong.
Everyone in the world is wrong to you two. Only you two are the exclusively correct people in your minds.
Keep thinking you’re the only correct people on the planet, there’s a word for that you can lookup for yourselves.
You’re absolutely lost if you think thats the ONLY important thing in a dogfight. The MiG-21 will pull far faster as a 1 circle fighter against a literal missile boat.
Ah yeah thats the only reason anyone would think the MiG-21 would rinse an F-4 in a dogfight. There’s totally no other reason. Alvis, you’re projecting. This proof is subpar at best, and I can guarantee you never fought a MiG-21 in a phantom and had an easy time with it.
Then lose as a 2nd aircraft frags it instantly, and it wasn’t enough to get nose on the EJ Kai.
F-4C:
How about we put this to rest?
I will take MiG-21 Bis in a duel and you can take F4 Phantom.
This is where they should be in terms of balancing. The MiG-29s are decidedly worse than the F-16s, crippled by being forced to use R-60Ms instead of their historical R-73s. Same with the Yak-141. The Mirage is limited to 4 total missiles, though I could see it being 12.7. The JA-37D is literally a 3rd gen aircraft…
The real question is why the frigg is the F-15A 13.0, or even the JAS39?
That being said, I would change the F-16s, mainly out of response to a more urgent change of the MiG-29s.
MiG-29s all but SMT: remove R-27ER (not used by any of the MiG-29s except the SMT and 9.13, but the 9.13 would benefit from being the same as the rest), add R-73/E, to 13.0.
F-16A (US/FR), Netz- add AIM-9M, also to 13.0
F-16A ADF (US)- add AIM-9M, to 13.3
F-16A (IT), F-16A MLU- add AIM-9L(I)/AIM-9M, AIM-120B, to 13.7
The AJ can be given AIM-9M and moved to 13.3 or stay where it is, it’s a theoretical aircraft after all
Yak-141- add R-73, R-77, to 13.3
Not necessarily connected to the other 3 families, but the JA-37D is missing the RB-99 that makes it a JA-37D and should receive it and a BR of 13.0, with the 37C getting RB-74 and 12.0.
I have a similar idea, but a little different. I don’t want to repeat myself, so I’ll link it: Gen 2-4 jets rebalance
Edit: In my mind 13.3 and up should be reserved for planes with Fox 3s, since 13.3 always meets 13.7s with the current brackets.
That would mean either the F-16ADFs are the same BR as the As despite having SARH missiles, or the As are 12.7 and fight 11.7s while having AIM-9M, so I’d disagree. 13.3 sure has aircraft with ARH missiles, but that’s on aircraft such as the F-4F or Tornado ADV, with the only exception being the SMT. 13.3 meanwhile already has the Su-27/J-11 and should also at least include the F-15s if not also the JAS-39A.
EJ does not have agile eagle. EJ Kai doesn’t either. EJ lacking DF sparrows and agile eagle makes it the saddest phantom of all imo. Maybe the F-4C is worse now since it got uptiered.
They are honestly better than fox 3 missiles with the ability to switch targets on the fly, reliably at any time, which the misisle was not capable of IRL.
IRL if the radar lock was lost during datalink phase, the missile was wasted as it was not possible to refresh the datalink.
The ability to turn off radar lock immediately after launch and lock again only when the missile is close to the target is so OP, I almost always get 2 kills early game at 30-40km range with mig29’s, after that I try my luck in the furball by spamming my r-73s from above.
I don’t recall if mig-29g is the same BR as the F-16ADF in sim, but they are in airRB and that makes no sense. 12.3-13.3 balancing is all over the place right now
Ah, I was wrong. Still, it wouldnt even be able to beat a MiG-21 with it.
People crying because the 27ER is too good, and then you try to take off with your Mig29 and you are spammed by AIM-54C, and if you evade them, the guy that launched them is probably already landing for spamming some more XD
A) literally single thing AIM-54A has over R-27ER is range
B) if tomcat just yeets the phoenix without guiding them, that means AIM-54 is flying by IOG moat of its path and as such becomes near useless against anyone NOT flying in the straight line.
It has range and the fact that it’s an active radar missile. Once the missile is 20km from the target the Tomcat isn’t obligated to maintain radar lock to guide the missile.
The Tomcat can carry up to 6 radar missiles with a good mixture of Aim-54 and Aim-7F. MiG-29 can carry 2 R-27ER.
On top of all that…if things actually reach the merge…the Tomcat just folds wings out and out-rates the MiG-29 pretty easily.
Yeah and until then its required for it to stay airborne.
R-27ER outspeeds the AIM-54 by 1.5 Machs, not accounting for the initial speed of the plane.
If both get fired at distance of 30km, once again not accounting for speed of either plane nor speed loss nor altitude (because i cant be arsed to look up the datamined values), R-27ER will reach the target in 15.08 sec while AIM-54 will reach its target in 20.34 sec.
And that is just comparing speed of each missile, not G overload or max speed of both planes.
Yes, AIM-54 will then go pitbull, but at the end of the day, its still 17G missile. Thats like AIM-9G/H. Do you struggle with AIM-9G/H?
So let’s assume your numbers are correct and both players launch at the 30km.
The F-14 has to guide the Aim-54 for 1/3rd of the flight before it goes pitbull. So it has to guide it for 7 seconds and then has another 7 seconds to notch the incoming R-27ER. And if the MiG-29 attempts to guide the R-27ER for that time it will get hit in the face by the Aim-54.
So in all likelihood the MiG-29 gives up 1/2 R-27ERs in order to maybe close the distance for a follow up shot. Except because it broke radar lock it is going to run into the issue of the radar being incredibly slow to populate targets. F-14 has the advantage when it recommits after the first ER because of the radar being much faster to populate a new target…especially iwhen paired with a narrower scan option.
Worst case scenario is MiG-29 gets R-27ER off first and F-14 just notches it again and then it’s free to push the MiG-29 into a dogfight which it will win.
F-16A and F-16A ADF were always at the same BR and they should be at the same BR. One gets only IR missiles, but gets a variety of cas options and TV guided bombs. The other gets access to Sparrows, but has no air to ground ordnance, not even dumb bombs or rockets.
AIM-9M vs MiG-23MLDs seems like an issue, but MiG-23 has more flares with a flare pod than even MiG-29SMT. They are high caliber flares too. You also always play planes at the top of the bracket anyway.
To be honest I would be fine if F-16A, F-15A and F-14B had only AIM-9Ls and MiG-29s had R-73s. R-73 isn’t hard to flare, it’s just impossible to flare if you let it get too close, like <1km. AIM-9M is all around much harder to flare and spot in the first place. I feel like AIM-7M is so much better than R-27R, that the Russians can get R-73, while U.S. planes stay with AIM-9Ls.
You miss the point. In sim if you play 13.3, you either get a 13.0-13.7 bracket or a 13.3-13.7 bracket. Moving things like F-16A, MiG-29 9-13, F-15A or Su-27 to 13.3 effectively kills them. There’s no reason to play an F-16A or F-15A, when you can play F-16C or F-15C.
Im nearly sure cranking 29 will be completly safe.
But Im going to run a mock fight with friend this weekend to be 100% sure on this, let me get back to you then.
Im setting reminder for this saturday.
Bro f16adf has radar missiles above being an f16. Its fine where it is.
He wont accept, because then he would have proof that he was in the wrong (as always)
