Why do you wanna discuss about a game mode that you don’t play ?
Why do you try to give lessons about a thing you don’t play to people who plays it ?
This is a forum for discussing SB, I would like to discuss with people that understand SB, not with people that feel they are so smart they can give me lessons on something they have never done.
No you are not. You are ignoring his points completely. That’s not a discussion.
Also you make baseless assumptions, but don’t retract them when being called out on them. It is Impossible to discuss with you on that basis.
You need to play SB to understand the issue.
You completely ignore the difference in situational awareness in SB compared to RB and act like it is the same… It isn’t.
This is the real point !!!
In RB videos I see a lot of people evade the misiles with barrel rolls, in SB you don’t see that … they think we are stupid it seems.
Also in RB you know what misile you are evading, in SB you have no clue most of the times, if it’s high G or low G.
You also know the direction the enemies are coming from. There are rarely multi angle attacks since all enemies start from the same airfield at the same time.
You are also much more occupied with flying which means you have less attention to give to observing missiles.
Having played mostly RB recently due to having a newborn, i can say the difference is huge.
Yes the mechanics of missile evasion is technically identical in RB and SB. But there is a huge difference in knowing what to do and when to do it and executing it. And that’s where the difference lies…
And then the RB plebs go “just do it bro” completely ignoring that we don’t have the instructor holding our hand and no 3rd person view.
Tangent: i find it weird, that it is only RB players coming into threads of the other modes and thinking they know everything even though they don’t play that mode. They do it to AB threads too.
It’s never the AB players doing it.
There has to be a reason for that.
Guys at this point, just go play DCS.
Which has worse missile modelling.
It’s better at modelling the single planes.and their cockpits, but they tok a lot of shortcuts on the actual combat mechanics, especially around IR missiles
-ir missiles ignore clouds
-flare effectiveness is determined by a simple random number generator.
DCS isn’t the flawless perfection everyone makes it out to be. Do people really think mentioning DCS counts as an argument?
I am asking you why you feel a certain way and applying facts that stay consistent across all gamemodes. A 15G missile in RB is the same 15G missile in SB. Never once did I say I know things when I don’t, in fact I asked questions about how SB worked and used that in my posts.
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Dude
I mean did you even read the conversation I had with him? I asked questions and used the answers he game me to continue on. Your SB supremacy complex is showing.
Oh wow look at that it’s me acknowledging differences between RB and sim
In SB you don’t know how many Gs has the misiles you are evading !!! That’s the fact, not your bullshit based on label info.
So you would treat it as any other radar missile and go defensive and easily defeat it no? What am I missing here?
You don’t know how many Gs a missile has in any game mode unless you say the aircraft that fired it.
No you don’t. You mention the diamonds which are irrelevant. You also act like the differences aren’t a big deal, this is why you post sh*t like this:
This process is easy in RB, not in SB.
The RWR onnthat br range usually doesn’t accurately show the direction, missiles often come from multiple directions due to the mission design, or they come in from an angle where the RWR doesn’t work properly. Whcih doesn’t happen in RB since you already know where the enemy is coming from.
I am trying to explain how you don’t understand the issue of something you have zero experience with.
That’s elitist? But barging into the subforum of something you don’t play and lecturing them on how their experiences are wrong isn’t?
You are the one thinking he knows better than the guys actually playing the mode… But i am the one feeling superior? Sure.
This is exactly what I’m asking for to have a discussion with you. You need to give me information to have an honest discussion. Saying “you can’t have a discussion because you don’t play the mode” is elitist and a superiority complex.
So you should do what you did before the F-14 event right? The presence of a new missile doesn’t change that.
Then since it’s fater than 27ER, you are recognising it’s OP in SB XD
Faster than an R-27ER but you can’t turn around in that time? I really doubt you can’t turn around in that timeframe, even with SB flight models.
You should aply all your valuable knowledge when you play to improve a little your stats. Theory is good, but it seems you don’t aply it when you fly.
Dude the f14a itself has a fairly weak RWR… Why assume everyone else has a good one?
You didn’t have a discussion, you tried to lecture on something you had no clue about. Telling people what to do without having a cluenyourself, isn’t a discussion.
A discussion starts with questions not lecturing.
^This was your first post… This is not having a discussion, this is knowing better without actually having a clue.
I never assumed all the RWRs in that BR range are good. I said the fact there is a new missile shouldn’t change the way you defended in the past. That’s like saying a new variant of the AIM-9B was added, so we have to completely change all our tactics, even though they are the same type of missile with little differences other than speed.
No, I did not. I do not understand where you got that from.
Almost every single one of my posts has questions.
I cannot start immediately like I am in the middle of a discussion. There has to be some starting point and that is where it started.
I am not the best player but I am not stupid, and I am capable of having a discussion with users, even though certain tactics may be more difficult to accomplish when you’re on a controller 10 feet away from your TV. I can barely see my RWR from that distance.
No you responded to someone. But in the rely chain/discussion this was you literal first post.
You had 2 unrelated posts before.
So yes this was how you started the “conversation” by being condescending… Good job.
Sure, but i am referring literally to how you started the “discussion”, because it shows your attitude. And there is no question to be found, you tried to be insulting.
I quoted your first response to the reply chain… I can quote it again if necessary.
That’s how you enterednthe conversation about the f14 and missile evasion.
You were putting people down that have issues dodging a 15G missile while not having dodged a single missile yourself. How is that not a d*ck move? Tell me
It’s definately not the start of a fair discussion.
Yeah… that’s where the discussion started. Did you want me to not have a starting point? I really can’t understand what you’re getting at here.
Dude it was a joke about the weak G pull of the famous and how I find it kind of funny people complain about it. Not that deep.
A joke isn’t a lecture, 7 words isn’t a lecture. What are you on about.
Yeah, that’s how conversations start man. Like legitimately why are we you mad about starting a conversation.
I am going to stop squabbling with you and @cercata we are very off topic and it seems there is something we aren’t getting about each others arguments. I’m sorry it went that way but such is life. Have a nice day guys. See you later.