Had exactly 42 AIM-54s launched at me (once my friend landed after sending all phoenixes and rearmed).
Only once they came even close to hitting me, and that was when he essentially ambushed me with 20km launch while i thought hes farther.
I didnt even need to fully notch nor use chaff at all, keeping the missiles at the gimball limit of my radar was enough for them to COMPLETLY miss at long ranges.
And, unless sim has different physics than realistic, this WILL apply to simulator battles too. I was flying solely by instruments 100% of the time.
We didnt even test close range because we never got there.
Let me get at least some basic experience on how to fly with sim controls first, otherwise im fraid it would be one sided spanking even if you took a prop plane against me 😅
That would apply to a 1 vs 1 in SB, but EC is not that, with bots and many players around, the Mig29 radar becomes crazy and often you see everything except the threats.
Also in 1vs1, instead of 6 phoenix, the F-16 can bring 3 phoenixto put you defensive and 3 sparrows to kill you while you defend the sparrows.
Didnt have spare time to learn sim controls, sorry. Managed to squeze in only few games in the last few days.
I could provide those, but without the accompanying voice chat im fraid you will get skewed impression.
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If you have time over the weekend, im sure we can work something out in custom battles, like forced cockpit and no markers whilist allowing me to fly the normal RB controls.
To specify, I was flying solely by instruments for that mock battle.
They are not.
Planes get labeled at 10km and missiles get labeled under 10km AND as long as their motor is burning.
Phoenix launched from 40km wont be marked neither in RB nor SB.
Radar is bad when compared to F-16s/F-15s. Its sufficient when compared to radar on F-14As.
RWR, as long as it can detect the band of the F-14As radar, which im nearly sure it can do, and can detect launched missile, which again im nearly sure it can, is sufficient to dodge phoenixes at long ranges.
In a real match, when you notch/crank a Phoenix, you can be going to another one that is not yet in your RWR because it didn’t go pitbull … go and try the Phoenix spam in a Mig29
Also if you shot a 27ER,the most probable is you shot it on someone else, and you are not defending.
Granted, this is the one argument i cant properly counter.
Yes, by cranking one phoenix you could unknowingly be turning straight into other one coming at you from different ditection - this is problem limited to sim battles and i cant say anything against it.
In RB most of the phoenix spam happens in the first 5 minutes in match and at those ranges they are pretty much coming from one direction.
With all of the above being said tho, even IF you are turning into another AIM-54 that is yet to go pitbull, it is still a 17G missile and evasion is possible.
In SB the missile can come fromanywhere. It’s not as silly as RB, where you know when and where the enemy is coming from.
This is added situational awareness that you get from RB mission design that you don’t get in SB. Then there is the issue of workload, which reduces the amount of attention you can invest into situational awareness in sim compared to RB.
Why is it always RB players that spam threads of other modes and general threads and make them about their third rate gamemode? Is it arrogance? Selfimportance?
Sure but almost everything is possible. There us a woman that survived a drop from 10.000 feet, so that is possible. Possible doesn’t mean sh*t, we need the likelihood to make assessments.
Of course it’s posible, evading 27ER is posible too …
The thing is that when you are in a Mig29 you have to be evading phoenixes since takeoff, and the time you are doing that, you are not going agresive on other players, and while you evade, you are an easy target to other players. You have to be fighting misiles that are pitbull, and also players.
When A mig29 launches an ER, he doesn’t see anything else on radar, is very vulnerable to other people. When I play the F-16A, I kill a lot of people on the Mig29 that make long distance launches.
As UnknowDistance says, when you learn how to play the Mig29, you go radar off most of the time, and you only shot 27ER at short distance.
BTW, the mig29 RWR doesn’t filter friendlies, so when you are getting a lock, you don’t know if it’s an F-14 or a friendly Mig29, and the same for the pings. Also when the phoenix goes pitbull, you don’t know if it’s an ARH misile alone, or if it’s an SARH and the enemy is close.
