The drag is not modelled on the pod tho, like its not on gunpods,been like that for years. Also J-7D have 72 CMs total,drops 2 per, and you have to take chaff,so you never go full flare anyway. Sure PL-5Bs are great, i know that, especially when you fire em on 3km and they burn out before they hit so no diamond, R-60s are absolute garbage yes.
This is true in raw thrust output only, under 1000kph the J7D has a better power to weight ratio than the SMT.
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Different meta.
It was actually bad when it comes.
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j7d players bad? i have never seen a j7d player pull below 2kd, pulling over 1.5kd is enough for the game algorithm to push anything up in BR. The plane is low in BR because China is the dev’s most babied nation (highest whale count) and because somehow they need to compensate for the bot bans that actually made fat bank on the matter. It’s the same ol’ why the top tier missiles are so mediocre compared to China’s especially how PL-12(A) inherits MICA’s tracking algorithm while the standard PL-12 is still among the best and the best of it’s BR.
Meta if anything made it harder to play due to gun drag nerfs and realshatter favoring all aspects and radar missiles instead of head-ons before merging and sorting to rear launches after merging if both targets remained undamaged.
If they were good it wouldn’t have went to 10.7 in the first place.
I wish
Prior to the update PL-12s were the worst ARH missile because of how gaijin nerfed them trying to “fix” them. They could be sparrow rolled and the entire top tier was left to rot until the newest update.
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I wish
everything China has is superior to Russia’s analogies. The PL5C is one of the best missiles in game, the PL12 and PL12A have always been the best missiles in game, reaching as far as aim120s while pulling as hard as R77s. The Sukhois on Chinese tree outdogfight Russian sukhois, the J10 is a baby eurofighter that can give the Gripen a good beating in the hands of a skillful player.
It’s frequently bought as a pay to play gamers first jet plane. Statistics are bad as a result. Gaijin balances off of Stats. This thing is a killing machine in the right hands but in the hands of the average player it’s average.
Yes. On the same level as F-5C players who carry napalm and try to bomb bases.
That is how premium bias happens.
And it became worse when J-7D got 250-2 napalm bombs.
Do you have any solid proof that China is the most babied nation?
Including an insider document that China has the biggest whales among all nations, not an assumption.
(As you know, Chinese players are meta-dwellers, so I saw many Chinese players main USA, USSR, German and such)
I still remember when the Chinese community went into an uproar on the forum
-when Gaijin implemented VT-5 unhistorically,
-when Gaijin kept their Type 99 MBT drastically worse than Soviet counterparts.
and
QN506 is considered drastically worse than BMPT.
Always??
IIRC, during the early stage of ARH introduction, AIM-120A/B dominated the meta while PL-12 was nothing but a ripoff of AIM-120A.
It is true that J-7D is an undertiered jet, but it is caused by compression since it cannot fight against 12.0BR jets such as F-4S or Tornado F.3.
With a premium bias.
Not because China is dev’s most babied nation.
And it doesn’t rationalise your coping with the F-5C.
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no lol gaijin orchestrates it, its all intentional. If they were being genuine and actually trying to balance the game they would account for the obvious issues with premium jets.
Don’t forget the few months before last major where PL-12 was nerfed so hard it can be rolled, lose lock on its own, or even be outpulled in some scenarios
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MICA?
That’s kinda just a general curse upon manufacturing nations.
A nation like America sells outdated vehicles like the A-4 or F-86, the buyer makes slight modernizations, and the result ingame is every nation who manufactures a vehicle ends up with the slightly worst variant of it.
Most nations do not have the export vehicles that were upgraded at the exact same BR as the domestic unupgraded version. American F-86s are at a lower BR than all the upgraded models from other countries.
Su-30SM2>J-15T/J-16, Su-27SM>J-11B (potentially), Mig-23ML>J-8B
It’s the best missile on zero planes, but I don’t disagree. It is probably the best all aspect non-irccm missile.
They were godawful for 3+ months for zero reason.
False at any time.
False at any time.
Correct.
Su-30SM2>J-15T/J-16, Su-27SM>J-11B (potentially), Mig-23ML>J-8B
Since when is a plane that outdogfights the Kfir C7 and is as fast as it better than a plane that a MiG19 can easily beat in a dogfight? Let alone armament, you cannot compare two r24r’s on and two r13m’s to two aspides and two pl5b’s besides the fact the radar of the J8B is doppler and the MiG23ML radar is not. It is harder to spoof the aspide and the j8b than the r24r and the mig23.
They were godawful for 3+ months for zero reason.
So what? Sparrows have been god awful for since always and they now miss even more than they ever did because they pull harder while having the same awful tracking.
False at any time.
Except i’ve been killed by further PL12s than amraams (in fact i’ve been killed almost always by PL12s and PL12A’s when going cold and never by something else)
False at any time.
I’ve been killed by PL12A’s in dogfights, thing that none of my R77s did on my su27sm.
Curious when just a month ago you called J-8B a fat pig.
False
Skill issue
Skill issue
test
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the j8b is a fat pig in a ratefight. Even fat pigs like the phantoms can one circle f-5s and they get better the slower they fly.
Skill issue
Same as getting mogged by a Lamborghini in your Dacia, skill issue indeed.
Skill issue
Here the BS apologist telling me skill issue while they can’t pull positive the moment the vehicle is not an overpowered missile slinger. Now come back crying I bring up stats. You ask for it. All of you ask for it.
The Mig-23 will beat a J-8B in a dogfight. The J-8B lacks the engine power and low speed performance to effectively fight someone using wing sweep in a Mig-23.
- Aspides are worse than R-24Rs, but the J-8 does have a better IR armament (but fewer AAMs if you use R-60s on the Mig).
- The J-8B does not have a doppler radar, infact it doesn’t even get an ACM mode.
They were objectively the worst ARH missile for multiple months, so you are incorrect in saying they have always been the best.
This is probably just confirmation bias. They have a lower range and lower speed the Aim-120s.
So have I. They aren’t bad in dogfights (as long as you are more than 1.5-2km away, but the R-77s/Micas are so much better.