r13m1 are actually some of the best rear aspect aim9 clones, they’re actually better than aim9p in everyway with range comparable to aim9g and are only slightly worse than the pl5b, the only thing holding the r13m1 back is the seeker cage size, the mig23mld is objectively superior to the j8b as an avid enjoyer of both.
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This also means that it’s possible to win in J-8B against someone that either isn’t utilizing wing sweep. Also, I’m unsure where claims of “lacking power” came from when it has much more raw thrust and acceleration than mig-21bis. I’m unsure about MLDs, but against the average ML player J-8B can hold its ground.
It does, however, have a very small rapid scan SRC mode that acts as a temu ACM. Most people just don’t seem to be aware of this since they don’t cycle between different SRC radar boxes at this BR?
Funny, coming from someone who never flew the J-8B. Or even play china air at all.
Funny coming from someone with worse stats in every single vehicle except F-5s.
Here’s a few examples of “your superior skills”:
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
lol j8b is a fat pig low speed unlike the mig23mld, also literally everybody knows about manuel wing sweep its been years since they were added
Yet again the src mode is still just worse than a acm mode the mig has, and it doesn’t have an mti mode for its src mode so it can’t lock targets at low low altitude below it.
in a 1v1 I would beat your j8b if you want we can test it right at the current moment
Its a delta wing with better turn rate and engine than 21bis, and people don’t consider that a pig now do they?
The average MiG-23ML base bomber doesn’t.
The only extra step is having to hit manual lock. Meanwhile MiG-23’s acm is a very slow, 9km acm. By all means this is inferior to J-8B’s 20km small SRC box.
Is not that important for a 11.3 plane. The small SRC box already ignores a decent amount of ground clutter.
low speed the bis is a pig it’s just a lot lighter and will be out turned by even the f4e (I have played the German f4f), the j8 is that but heavier, if you get slow you’re extremely heavy and slow to react
you shouldn’t balance vehicles based on average performance (I know this is wishful thinking on my part)
the mig23s acm mode is 6 miles (wtf is a km lol) in a tall vertical box, that’s actually more useful in a turning engagement and if the box is too big you can just use the irst acm mode and switch back like all Soviet players should know
it still limits the useable on the radar, limits the mig23 lacks
Why are you bringing up balancing? I’m just stating facts that in an average match, J-8B can dogfight your typical ML player?
Did you miss the part about the J-8B being both better turning and better accelerating?
I don’t recall R-24Rs being HOB ARHs.
Still shorter range than 20km.
MiG-23 radar has plenty of other limits, such as a horrible SRC mode and very slow ACM mode.
Genuinely where is this J-8B misinformation even coming from? Even a simple youtube search would show otherwise.
1v1 me if the j8b is better right now and test it if you’re so confident, I’ll use the good old mig23mld
If you wanted to 1v1 you’d just talk respectfully in dm. Not this weird “oh I will mog you attitude”
yet you’re on the forums arguing with me
Have you considered typing is easier than booting a game at 12am? Again, DMs are right there.
the j8b will be utterly dogged on in dogfight with the mig23mld, add my profile and I’ll gladly show you this anytime tomorrow
So why are we even bothering with “testing” if you’re already so comfortable in this headspace? What a weird attitude.
You say otherwise, I have played both enough to know, it’s not worth dmimg you. mods need work they can delete the chain
so… breaking the forum rules for off-topic discussion because “1v1 me bro”?
It’s clear you’re only interested in talking, you can add me in warthunder coffee_can@psn and I’ll gladly show you the problem with your assessment
… And what happens if you lose then?
then you’ll be right bro, what happens if the sun goes down ahh question lmao
but the j8b won’t win the dogfight so I guess I’ll be right anyway you have my @
Well you’re free to test your theory
(ok yeah im not waiting half an hour for this just dm me if you actually want to to set something up)
Maybe lack of thrust wasn’t the right word to use, but it just doesn’t have good energy retention and handles so poorly at lower speeds.
Tbf that’s true for almost anything if you take average player skill into account.
Both kinda suck but imo the J-8Bs is nicer to use.
I agree on the first part. The second part depends on what you’re comparing to. Having flown the Bis, I can say for certain that it definitely handles much better than that plane at all speeds.
Fair enough. That said, my point does stand about J-8B beating the swept out 23ML in a few ways. We got to take into account that there’s only 1 MLD for every 10, perhaps 20 ML you run into.
