Remember that the event F-6C is basically it but better at the same BR (except the guns)
Yeah, T-2 does one turn and it’s lost so much speed it’s basically flying straight. I hate how it flies.
If you really believe that the nerf was ahistorical, then bring your damn proof and bugreport it to Gaijin,
That is the only way you can prove that it was an ahistorical nerf.
You only come up with this take every time you yapping about F-104, but you never submit proof.
If you have proper tech documents, and if you fix it, then every pencil lover might be happy with you, then why you doesn’t work on it yourself to fix F-104?
Oh of course shooting F-104 could work, if it hists
Maybe If I shoot flying F-104 with rifle while I am sitting on my lawn, if I somehow magically manage to hit, then it might works. Just like how subsonic jets in 8.0-8.3BR trying to shoot F-104 down.
problem with your argument is that you are cherrypicking pew points which you want to see (if Vampire shoots F-104 with 20mm, and it hits, F-104 dies), while ignoring other parts (Vampire cannot catch F-104)
Ad hominem, good sign of winning an argument. /s
Also, if we take this seriously, converse also works; you personally struggling to fight against subsonic planes does not make F-104 a bad plane.
It is more like ‘I want to believe like this because I cannot believe that F-104A/C is 9.3 material’. no?
F-104S/ASA might want to say hi to ya. /j.
Yeah, F-104A/C should’ve move up compared to some other supersonic interceptors in same BR
but T-2, Ayit, F-1 and such other jets in uptier literally does not allow to do that.
Feels like
Better than Lightning F.6 or Su-7B? Of course it is.
Then does F-104A need to share the same BR with Ayit or T-2? hmmm no?
And this compression block made another compression block by ‘buff F-86 and MiG-15/17 because they cannot fight against supersonic jets’(While ignoring other domestic counterpart subsonics)
Keeping the current BR might be the only option, even though no one likes this option, except gaijin somehow made decompression.
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You mean before the excessive and ahistorical FM nerf?
Never had trouble fighting the chinese starfighters in my F-86A-5 (8.0 plane) or in my F-86F-2. The “cannot do anything” argument is invalid.
XD space climbing?
No correlation to what I said.
Sorry, but you personally struggling to fight a plane that even Germany mains don’t struggle against, doesn’t mean I struggle.
False. 8.3-9.0 is still fully playable, and 8.0s and 9.0s share alot of airframes (especially Sabers and Gr.91s)
They simply do the same thing they did for the F4D-1. They use a source completely contradictory to their claims, and claim it proves their claims.
I’m not your personal google search.
Sorry you can’t aim ig.
You will say anything but admit you killed blundering F-104s.
also
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
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If you want to make some take, you need to bring supports for that claim.
Then if you want to talk “Gaijin did an ahistorical nerf on F-104”
Then you need “Proof why” to support that claim.
Does that bugreport why F-104 got nerfed have tech documents? yes.
Does your claim about why it is an ahistorical nerf has tech documents? no.
Do not toss your damn Burden of Proof to others.
We also aren’t your personal google search.
Feel free to describe the way to “play correctly” in a missile-less subsonic against an F-104 then. Let me guess, it involves them turning and bleeding speed near you first.
It’s crazy, he’s the one yelling about how it’s ahistorical but he expects us to prove something that’s already accepted and proven. All “they did this to X plane they did that to Y plane” but when asked about source all the sudden it’s “I can’t answer that” or “I’m not Google”
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Maybe you can try to evade BnZ of Supersonic interceptors while playing missile-less subsonic.
Just like eeeeh, Mr Yang did against Reinhard in Astarte. Trying to draw.
Problem is we are not Miracle Yang. /j
Maybe if F-104’s aim isn’t deadly sharp, you can survive his first dive.
Then the F-104 need to disengage and come back,
Both sides cannot kill each other, but supersonics have the upper hand because it has the key to that engagement: when and how.
Supersonic keeps its speed, but you are slowly losing your energy while evading
Eventually, you will get killed by a supersonic interceptor or its subsonic co-worker 3rd-party.
What Pangolin suggests might be like this.
"Ignore F-104, because it is a supersonic mosquito; it annoys you, but it cannot harm you, so just ignore it’ 🤦♀️
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You fundamentally do not understand how PvP games work.
Ironic.
How about you actually play the game and learn how to counter hard enemies (not actually hard tbh).
I’ll give you a hint, it starts with shooting the F-104.
I don’t need to prove something that’s already been proven.
When are you gonna catch him to start shooting at him? Crazy how you keep avoiding that question.You keep saying “just shoot the F-104 bro” like sure i can yap back “just shoot the F-16 with your biplane bro”, just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s balanced.
What’s the irony? You clearly being average at the game acting like you aren’t? I haven’t even gotten to the disaster that is your rank 5 jets, showing people that you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. For someone who keeps shouting about how easy it is to counter F-104s in subsonics, you sure aren’t good at them.
Crazy how you can’t even show us where its proven then. People would think something that’s proven would… have proof?
So, I know this will come as a surprise to you since you’ve never played any of the vehicles we’re talking about, however, chasing a plane you can’t outrun is not the best way to go about fighting it.
Need I prove the sky is blue?
Thank you for proving my point. The fact that I’m not even good with early jets, yet F-104s are seen as easy kills is further proof that it’s not very good.
If you are saying the sky is red, then you need to say why it is red.
Bugreport that eventually led to the F-104’s FM nerf had tech documents
Then, if you want that FM nerf was ahistorical, then you need another proof why it was not historical at all.
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All this, yet can’t elaborate on how you’ll catch the F-104 in the first place (3+ time asking now)
buddy, its proof that you’re lying, since you can’t even break even on rank 5s. You have yet to even fight against your fellow subsonics, and here you are acting like you can fight F-104s.
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Drooling untill F-104 lets you catch him. /s
If he made blunder in front of you, then you can kill it eventually. haha.
Maybe because he killed some of the F-104s who played awfully while playing his subsonic jet
Just like how he formerly claimed that the F-5C is a worse dogfighter than the Harrier in another topic.
Anecdotal fallacy.
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I need eyebleach rn. The F-5C, known to be one of the most agile dogfighters of its BR, worse dogfighter than a subsonic VTOL jet?
Someone with 5000 games in arb can’t be this disconnected from reality.
Yup, because he managed to gun F-5C down with his ADEN.
You realize the F-104A/C don’t have BvR missiles, right? They need to get without gun or Aim-9B range to kill someone.
Ahh, right, everyone who doesn’t just fly in a straight line and let F-104s kill em is just lying.
Maybe it’s because F-104 are easy to kill.
Nope, he’s just making strawman arguments again. It’s all he can do.
The equivalent of “I gunned a tomcat in my F-4E, the tomcat is no longer good” (this actually happened personally, but you don’t see me advocating for 12.3/12.0 tomcat)