Guess who else has limited effective range. Not only that, planes are large and noisy being easily spotted from a mile away, SPAA are stationary and make no sound until firing, and can simply hide behind a rock, building, or trees.
Plane have much more effective range and can be used against all kind of targets, while SPAA are mostly used against aircrafts and some light vechicles.
I can destroy most open top SPAAs outside of their effective range due to overpreassure mechanic while they still have to hit me.
SPAAs are bound to the terrain, meaning aircraft can easily use the terrain to cover itself from SPAA.
Plane can just pick up a target that is not near SPAA and still do the job, if a player was in aircraft instead of SPAA, then plane wouldn’t have as much freedom.
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These are fair points for when the SPAA player is a noob who has no idea what they’re doing (about 90% of them) SPAA players with even a shred of experience will know to stick by their teammates, or go literally anywhere that isn’t dead center of their spawn.
The terrain still heavily favors SPAA. All maps give plenty of places for SPAA to take cover, and all maps have large open areas above the map where aircraft are 100% exposed to SPAA fire. There’s also maps like Iberian Castle or most Desert maps where Aircraft don’t get any cover even miles away from the battlefield.
Again this is at fault of noob SPAA players staying in spawn. Also, someone playing CAP wouldn’t remedy this. You can still easily avoid CAP most of the time and just proceed to the battlefield to bomb som1.
Again in most cases they can’t deal with the whole map.
You know that from air terrain renders differently? Not to mention that again aircraft doesn’t have to fight SPAA
Sorry but it is not as easy to avoid CAP than it is to avoid SPAA
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That’s not relevant and also untrue in some cases. SPAA doesn’t need to cover the map, it just needs to cover its teammates which is does extremely well when they’re not trash at the game. There’s also maps like Finnland or Frozen Pass where the battlefield is very small and easily covered even by sitting in spawn.
Yes, buildings with massive gaping holes are now filled in, and tree leaves cover more area meaning the SPAA can see the aircraft easily when the aircraft can see the SPAA.
Yeah, those are the aircraft no1 cares about because they’re just flying in circles doing nothing. Also SPAA can choose not to fight aircraft aswell…
I’m not sure what you base that on. In my experience, I’ve avoided CAP mains trying to spawncamp by simply diving and continuing to the battlefield faster than they can chase me. SPAA can’t be avoided if you want to actually play CAS since SPAA is always at the battlefield, unless they’re just a trash noob who would lose to a TBD-1 in a headon while playing Wirbelwind.
It is true in most cases as most of SPAA have effective range of around 1km.
Teammates are going to be on the whole map, not only in one part of it, meaning that with CAP You would be able to deal with an aircraft where You couldn’t with SPAA.
Sorry but no tree/bush or even a building will cover You from being detected. If someone flies at the battlefield without first checking what is a situation on it then it is his own fault.
They are killing teammates of SPAA that it can’t cover.
Not to mention bombers that can eaisly avoid any shoot attemp from SPAA as it can be eaisly done while they can use bombing sight to do precision bombing at the SPAA teammates.
Around 5 K/D made only in ground battles in my F4U-4B.
SPAA can be much more eaisly avoided as again it can only move in something like 2D space, while aircraft is moving in 3D one with much more speed.
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90% of teammates go to the same half of the map anyways. Besides, thinking you in a 70sp vehicle should be able to stop EVERY 600 sp plane that even gets close to the battlefield b4 he bombs your team mates is just stupid.
This comment just shows how inexperienced and unwilling to learn you are with SPAA. The point of cover isn’t hiding from planes 24/7. The point of cover is staying undetected until the plane is with firing range. If a plane is passing low enough over the map to see an SPAA in cover, then he is well within range to be shot down by the SPAA.
As I’ve mentioned b4, its at fault of the SPAA for not covering their team. Besides, If SPAA could effectively cover those 3 teammates 1 mile away at the C point aswell as the main group at the A point, then CAS would be useless.
not surprised you have a high K/D in a 5.7 plane (the BR of braindead Germans and Russians) with one of the few American planes in Warthunder that gets access to 20mm AND ordinance.
That’s stupid and again shows how little you know about playing SPAA. If you’re avoiding competent enemy SPAA, then you’re not bombing tanks.
That is why using aircraft is much better, You have much more chance to do so.
Thanks for admitting that SPAA are not that effective.
Again, there is no place on the map where a plane can’t find You before he lunches the attack.
And guess what CAP can do, just that ;).
If that is so easy then most players would hae something like that, especially one who is making such statment.
Should we look at Your account to check how much You know about playing SPAA?
I’m just doing that, not to mention killing this competent enemy SPAA player outside of his effective range with ease.
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Lol no1’s surprised you have 0 counter argument and instead just say “ErhMM YOURE AGREEING WITH ME!!!”
Again, shows how inexperienced and unwilling to learn you are with SPAA.
CAP? you mean that Spitfire who’s been left in the dust a mile behind me because I spawn with speed and energy advantage? good luck.
I probably do in my Israeli Spitfire, although I haven’t checked though.
Go ahead. Oh and don’t forget to include your experience aswell.
The wirbelwind sitting in spawn shooting at you from 2 miles out isn’t a competent SPAA.
Because You have just did that:
As a CAP can just do that.
I have played planes enough to know that ;).
If someone allows You to have that, then it is his own fault.
You don’t even have 2 K/D in it buddy.
For such bold statments about SPAAs, You are not the best one to talk about it ;).
Sorry but I have fought much more SPAA at much closer range.
As I have said, most SPAA effective range is around 1km and I can eaisly destroy You from that distance as overpressure kills You without me directly hitting You with a simple HVAR rocket.
Keep lying to yourself buddy
nope.
Clearly not enough and your KD shows.
It’s the fault of SPAA players for dying to CAS
Yeah I don’t bring it to ARB often.
strange, I don’t see you mentioning .2 K/D against planes in SPAA.
If you see them outside of their effective range then that’s because they’re simply trash at the game, and not competent in the slightest.
Sorry but it is not a lie. It is visible to everyone.
Of course it can, with CAP You can cover whole tank battlefield and much more.
Which one or on which vechicle?
It is not their fault that they can’t do anything about CAS destroying them from outside of their effective range.
And I don’t bring any planes to air modes as I don’t play them.
You mean Your 2 K/D?
Last time I checked, I haven’t seen any SPAA in Your profile with over 2 K/D against planes.
When it comes to me, I have used SPAAs much more in SB mode at top tier where things are a little different.
Sorry but again, there is no map that allows You to hide from a plane.
If You can’t see an SPAA on the ground battlefield, it means You need to play game more and learn maps.
Not when the plane you’re supposed to be providing cover for your team from has left you in the dust. It’s very rare that spawning CAP will do anything spawning SPAA can’t, aside from wasting SP, e.g large bombers, though that itself depends on what nation is on each team and which team is winning.
Yes they can. They can sit next to a building, large rocks, dead bodies, or literally anywhere that isn’t just stationary in spawn.
same. ARB is boring.
The only SPAAs I play with America are M19A1/M42, which I use as tank destroyers killing the occasional plane that flies over. I do use M109 as SPAA the rare times I bring it out, though there’s not much air traffic. I would far rather have a tank inbetween enemies spawning planes than flying in circles 10 minutes straight and get 4 air kills the entire game.
You having too big skill issue to use cover effectively shows how little you know about SPAA.
He can’t leave You in the dust if You attack him first.
Air spawns are fixed, same with airfield so You can see an enemy aircraft when he spawns.
If one can’t use CAP then sure, what You have described about ‘leaving in a dust’ showcase Your lack of knowledge about how to do CAP.
Which doesn’t change anything as an aircraft can still destroy them from outside of their effective range without the need to directly hit them.
Your stats showcase that You are not that good against destroying enemy aircrafts.
Sorry but again, no cover can hide You from aircraft.
Not to mention that again, not my profile showcases skill issue to begin with.
He can’t attack you if you kill him in a headon. plane PvP goes both ways, and the CAS often has better firepower (with exception of U.S planes that often lack firepower and dogfighting capabilties.)
I can use CAP just fine. The difference is I get the same amount of air kills in SPAA, in addition that I get far more tank kills all for a lower SP cost.
You need to see them first. any1 who plays SPAA well stays hidden until the planes are close enough to strike.
Sorry, but that’s your own skill issue being unable to use SPAA effectively. I know because I don’t have the issue you have.
You don’t have to head on a plane in order to kill him before he reaches the tank battlefield, You have much to learn about aircrafts.
Your stats says otherwise.
And I can do that just fine as there is no place on the ground that will allow You to not be spotted by an aircraft.
Funny story considering Your own stats that contradict that.
bro is a proffesional in knowing nothing about how stats work.
Again that is your own skill issue not being able to use cover effectively.
All the CAS needs to do is force you into a headon
If You had no problem in doing things You describe, Your own stats would be showing it.
Short story, they are not.
And while trying so he loses all his speed. Considering how much load he has on himself, he turns into a brick and dies as I quickly destroy him.
Not to mention that head-on can be won by CAP in many cases ;).
That comment takes the cake for dumbest argument I’ve ever seen in WT forums, especially coming from someone who can’t spamming “EVIDENCE EVIDENCE”. Not even touching on the fact that your arguments are all trash so you just go to personal insults with “stATS”
That’s just their skill issue. any1 who tries to force a headon by getting on your tail has 0 idea what they’re doing.
Idiot tier argument. The odds are stacked for the CAS do to higher firepower. saying it’s won by CAP in “many” cases would suggest that CAP has the advantage. It’s definitely not impossible or even implausible, the odds are simply stack in the favor of CAS.
You have brought no evidence to the things You are saying and Your own stats are contradicting what You are saying here.
Sorry that You feel so attacked by this, but You can’t hide from Your own profile.
Of course the odds are not stacked for the CAS, but it requires some knowledge of the game which You still lack.