Why do CAS players so vocally oppose any suggestions

[Pangolin_Fan]

Warthunder veterans aren’t the primary demographic.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Pangolin_Fan

The TO fan thinks there’s such think as “air only” mode.

You can use only air in Air modes.

@Pangolin_Fan

• CAS haters will move on to complain about something else

CAS complainers wouldn’t have anything to complain about as the complaint would be no more

@Pangolin_Fan

• Far more campers

Tanks aren’t allowed to camp and snipers to snipe ?

@Pangolin_Fan

• Imbalance issues with many heavy tanks ontop of balancing regular grounds

Heavy tanks can be destroyed by ground units at their BR range.

@Pangolin_Fan

90% of SPAA become useless addtions

Only true useless AAs would be vehicles like Ozelot that have no autocannons and/or missiles to fire at ground units.
Usual GRB would still be active for them though.

@Pangolin_Fan

• Ground would have double queue times due to 4 separate ground modes (not even counting sim and events)

Doubling the one second queue time is a no issue.

@Pangolin_Fan

adding a new mode is never that simple.

Yes it is in case of TO.

[БЕИ]

@Pangolin_Fan

Warthunder veterans aren’t the primary demographic.

So there was zero potential for catering to new customers who like pizza without pineapple?

[ARK_BOI]

@Pangolin_Fan

CAS haters will move on to complain about something else

There always thing to complain about in every mode

@Pangolin_Fan

Su-25 and A-10 sales would go down

Good buy their way to high tier is dumb overall

And yeah when i go playing GRB i wanna enjoy tanks but these days forced me to spawn fighter fast as possible otherwise i’ll gonna get bomb
It GRB we’re talking about but i spend times on ground around the match it about two minutes the rest is in the air shooting down garbage because game leave me no choice tell me it’s seem right to you?

[Pangolin_Fan]

@БЕИ

So there was zero potential for catering to new customers who like pizza without pineapple?

Idk I’m not from Hawaii

@ARK_BOI

There always thing to complain about in every mode

And if Gajin listens to CAS haters, then Warthunder will start to fall into worse and worse places as players will advocate for the stupidest things, like they do right now.

@ARK_BOI

Good buy

Yep, that’s all Gajin cares about. Getting sales.

[ARK_BOI]

TO mode is impossible it well know to anyone but what most people ask is more balance between air and ground in GRB what currently happen it cluster F point to spawn CAS it’s too easy
and to survive high tier GRB you need to not play tanks at all like i did try jump straight to fighter fast as possible which even i know that this isn’t right and game don’t even give me any choice.

[RunaDacino]

@Pangolin_Fan

Su-25 and A-10 sales would go down

Beer Thunder: Glide Bombs And Their Unintended Consequences.

I think A-10 has a place it dominates quite well.

[Pangolin_Fan]

Yes, the F4D does great CAS work, however people get it for ARB.

now replace F4D with A-10/Su-25, CAS with ARB, and ARB with CAS.

[Maldrokk]

@FlyingDoctor

This is the tired bad faith argument

A bad faith argument would be saying that clicking the plane to spawn in gives you the kill. Me saying they have to press spacebar after looking at the ground with thermals is more like what happens.

[FlyingDoctor]

No…

Like, honestly, this just shows that any engagement you don’t like, it just gets more and more absurd and outlandish to gatekeep from being caught up.

[PervertGenius]

Because if you remove CAS from tank battles, game will turn in yet another potato shooter game just like ~9 years ago april fools

[QTip_44]

@Pangolin_Fan

• CAS haters will move on to complain about something else
• Far more campers
• Imbalance issues with many heavy tanks ontop of balancing regular grounds
• 90% of SPAA become useless addtions
• Ground would have double queue times due to 4 separate ground modes (not even counting sim and events)
• Su-25 and A-10 sales would go down

1. straw argument. I’m sure CAS players have their own complaints currently
2. light tanks are ruling in the mid BRs right now. Get to ambush position easily, and have no problem taking out heavies - even from the front for some HEAT rounds
3. Right now SPAA are at huge disadvantage anyway. Planes don’t make nearly enough sound in GRB. Half the time I don’t hear them until they are strafing me at 500-1000m. “Realistically” we should be able to hear and locate them BY SOUND ALONE at much greater ranges than that. Right now, CAS are the silent assassins from above that you only detect when they are pummeling you.
4. Ground que times are often so short, doubling - or even tripling - will have negligible effect. Only those with ADHD would have issues waiting for a proper battle.
5. Not applicable

[FlyingDoctor]

@QTip_44

Planes don’t make nearly enough sound in GRB. Half the time I don’t hear them until they are strafing me at 500-1000m.

Now that you mention this, I haven’t actually ‘heard’ anything for a while. Used to hear the wyvern all the time.

[RunaDacino]

@QTip_44

Right now SPAA are at huge disadvantage anyway. Planes don’t make nearly enough sound in GRB. Half the time I don’t hear them until they are strafing me at 500-1000m. “Realistically” we should be able to hear and locate them BY SOUND ALONE at much greater ranges than that. Right now, CAS are the silent assassins from above that you only detect when they are pummeling you.

I half wonder if this was caused by the relatively recent fix for the open-canopy exploit (people opened canopies to get unrealistic situational awareness thru sounds in very fast planes). Now, in canopy you can barely hear anything but your engine and like… if you’re within 100m of the enemy. Open canopy it’s just wind.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that change can be credited with this given how fixes to 1 mode can cause another mode to break.

[Cpt_Duck]

Full disclosure, I am a CAS enjoyer, a tanks only mode in my opinion is really dumb and would certainly harm wait times, and ultimately not be worth it due to how bad camping and sniping from fucky spots would get.

That said, I’d have no issues having to take off from the runway.

[MotorolaCRO]

@Cpt__Duck

Full disclosure, I am a CAS enjoyer, a tanks only mode in my opinion is really dumb and would certainly harm wait times

If TO is dumb to you, then all standalone modes (like ARB) should be dumb as well.
Even if our wait times quadruple I think it’s more than worth it, especially if you consider queue times are close to non-existent at the moment.

@Cpt__Duck

and ultimately not be worth it due to how bad camping and sniping from fucky spots would get.

You don’t need CAS to counter campers and snipers, as there are no magical spots on the map that let you shoot with impunity.

[БЕИ]

@Cpt__Duck

and ultimately not be worth it due to how bad camping and sniping from fucky spots would get.

If they are indeed broken spots then why ain’t some of these CAS mains use it? then get 8 kills no death, and then I see pretty much all of them that complains about camping has 0.x KDR in all the vehicles they played lol where is this broken spots

[PompousMagnus]

@MotorolaCRO

You don’t need CAS to counter campers and snipers, as there are no magical spots on the map that let you shoot with impunity.

100% wrong. Digging enemies out of entrenched positions at lower BR is almost impossible without using cas to get other players off strong angles. Lower tier tanks without stabs, the tank “camping” has a massive advantage which often cannot be overcome without CAS support.

[MotorolaCRO]

You’re more than welcomed to show those “strong” spots that can’t be pushed from different angles and where CAS is “often” the only solution.

[ULQ_LOVER]

Can’t wait to see them.