guess why? because they are 90% of all cases the things that shoot you down. SPAAs are a solution to air because they cost so damn little, yet are able to shoot down everything, while still under spawn protection.
people do that all the time, you take out someone with cas, next thing they spawn is SPAA to take YOU out. guess what? half of they time they succeed. they have like 15 seconds of invulnerability after all. it does not matter if the enemy plane is rushing spawn or not. and nobody ever goes to the airfield and logs out after 1 successful cas run. they always come back, there is always opportunity for revenge unless you got killed at like the end of the match
of course, I am talking about top tier. say what you want about anything lower than 9.0
No. I’m about 50/50 killed by SPAAs and aircraft. The SPAAs I kill are generally shooting at someone else when I bomb or strafe them, and are easier to find since their rate of fire is higher and they are generally back from the front line. (Less chance of friendly kills via bombs, that way!)
Well then, I’m not typing about top tier. If a new tanker follows my suggestions, they won’t be fighting top tier for a while, and when they get there, they will have much better crews than they will if they go buying premiums and trying to go there directly.
For the lower tiers, assuming the pilot isn’t camping the enemy spawn, trying to get a revenge kill with SPAA requires spawning in and driving to the front lines, in hopes that the enemy plane is still there.
see when you go out of your way and say things like “SPAA is not a counter to aircraft, and never will be etc etc”, your statements also cover top tier SPAA, and in toptier, things are sorted out. a fish plugged into an emulator could do it. make sure you specify which era SPAA you are complaining about. I do not understand why you did not specify, as you have the 2s6.
cas forces players to be competitively aggressive - you decided to chill out and snipe tanks from a good position with 10% effort? you get punished by people who got kills faster by capping, killing in high traffic areas, etc.
respectfully people should not follow your suggestions, I myself, never made any until I got my kd up. maybe you should first get more hours in the game
Yes you can. It’s even easier in the higher tiers with SPAA. I love my Type 81C especially, because it’s a very swift revenger in the event I get CAS’d despite it being overtiered.
Little situational awareness goes a long way, and even then sometimes you still die. Guess what bucko? That’s just part of the game. If you can’t deal with it then perhaps you should go find games where you’ll never, ever lose.
I keep hearing Stardew Valley is pretty neat, so maybe you should try that out.
SPAA should get better rewards, right now rewards are shit thats why ppl dont use em, not worth, creating an enviroment where CAS has free fly zone, unless you have Pantsir (which can be easily countered but only if you have one of these heavy cas jets like F16C) this causes more ppl to hate CAS due dying suddenly to em because no one dares to use spaa.
Me personally i find ppl using spaa very often but sometimes its not enough because the count is low, sometimes just 3 players using it and once they are destroyed by an F16C/SU25 +20km away we will ran out of spaa players, meanwhile the rest will leave after dying with all their mbts.
But again right now i dont have anything agaisnt both of em, cas or spaa.
they are designed to be in this game, we need to make it work somehow
As a community we should aim for better things and unify instead of get it divided, the only time community was united was when they decided to review bomb war thunder due shit economy and problems, and it worked.
Actually Ground vehicles could have the same or even better rewards over Aircraft (irony ahead), you make one kill and two assists in Air Realistic Battles and research two modules or more in a single aircraft,
While for Ground vehicles you have to get a whole countability team to know if you need to play another match to research the Parts module. Very realistic I have to say, also buy the vehicle, train my crew and pay for the repair and maintenance, it’s like I’m a private military company manager (actually I may create a thread about this), in one moment or other Gaijin may add taxes.
Guys: I am 61 years old, and have no head tracking software. I still kill SPAAs more often than they kill me when flying. (I tend to get shot down by enemy aircraft and crash while trying to practice low-level attacks more than getting shot down by SPAA)
Now: I may have some advanced SPAA, but I have largely quit playing top tier. When I did so, SPAA did suck compared to today. I have been getting kills I wouldn’t expect with SPAAs, even at lower tiers, and even while working to spade the SPAA I was using. Obviously, things have changed, since it wasn’t the case when I formed those opinions, and I doubt spending a year or more mostly ignoring this game has improved my skills. (I got my attitude on SPAA when I could shoot from the ground and my hits had the same effect as if I were shooting those weapons from a plane. Now, I’m seeing kills with MGs from the ground that would only happen with a pilot kill if I were firing those same guns from a plane. I have noticed that any hit with the 40mm SPAAs is pretty much instant death for the plane, too.
Another thing I have noticed is that rounds are MUCH shorter. I think they have done this to try and counter one-death leavers. I’ve actually lived through the match once or twice in my starting vehicle.
I actually had a thread on the old forum, suggesting that bomber pilots find anything else in the game to play until they fixed things. Back then, the AI gunners all-but would not fire, and the bombers were so vulnerable that even if bombers flew in formation, the only way the first fighter to get to them didn’t get 4 kills was if one of the bomber pilots scored a really lucky hit, or the fighter accidentally rammed a bomber.
I was happy to have spaded most of my bombers before and shortly after that period. I’m not flying them now.
they’re used all the time, and (big) sl rewards aren’t much of a motivation, too. midgame people spawn spaa to get revenge kills (happens every match), and if someone spawns one at the start of the match they usually think they’re noble for doing that.
and as you have been told, aircraft gets less sl than ground.
Yeah, you totally can. I do plenty of times when I decide to spawn a LAV or ADATS and hit the planes that hit me. Idk what he’s talking about. Eye for an eye.
… i feel we seriously need to differentiate and indicate what technology brackets we are talking about.
The only way i will ever revenge kill a plane with a bosvark or ostwind is if they are actively spawncamping and are within less than 1 km of spawn when i respawn after they shoot my ratel or eland trying to leave aforementioned spawn.
And this is assuming they linger long enough for the non aced slow turret rotation to turn around and point my guns at them. (Seriously. I am missing 20 degrees of horizontal turret rotation because of crew skills.)
CAS/helis aren’t really a problem until guided weapons show up. getting killed guided bomb or missle dropped by a plane flying so high that it doesn’t even render is as stupid as it is unfun. gaijin doesn’t have any mechanism to simulate medium or long range air defences, which are exactly what prevent aircraft doing this in reality when there is an absence of enemy air patrols.
Well that’s the problem why the cas discussion is never balanced
Bad cas players won’t get a single shot of and complain about spaa
Meanwhile good players get 10-15 kills no problem
You mentioned people don’t complain about spaa much. becouse current spaa is a joke
Most aa missiles have a range of 10-12km and are line of Sight
Meanwhile we have 20+ km fire and forget atgms
Do you remember the time before the pantsir wen agm65b were top of the line or even before that wen people hated the g91 for its missiles
Also plane targeting equipment didn’t exists besides the mig27k
People were complaining about the Tunguska and adats constantly
same with the vt1(but way less because it couldn’t be controlled out of the tube for some strange reason. No Roland missile had that problem and the vt1 is a Very Modern Missile)
Also speaking of Balance most vehicles are completely defenseless and just free kills for cas
Basically bringing a gun into a knife Fight and a large portion don’t even have a knife
Not to mention the only reaction we get from cas players is spawn spaa has if it was an emp grenade which causes all planes to crash instantly
I usually enjoy playing spaa
But Fighting 20km+ cas with 12km max range missiles just Nope
Same with all the pars throwers which peak over the hill and are rearming at the helipad by the time my missiles reaches them and then I get nuked
Most aa Vehicles are slow and don’t have smoke
Also I don’t know of a Single spaa which has rwr/lwr/maw
And people are suggesting sead missiles if they come in the current meta I won’t play spaa anymore
I will spawn in anything else or just leave the Match
I cant really speak for top tier as I havent played it in a hot minute, but in another thread similar to this one I proved it wasnt hard playing spaa at least in the 10.3 bracket, in about 7 games I scored at least 2 kills in every game to no deaths to any planes at all, most of those games I killed every aircraft the enemy team had
That bracket is decent for the most part but high altitude bombings and low alt strafes from su25/a10 are a Problem
Besides that it’s fine unless you play Italy or Japan
Still better than top tier were it is pantsir or go home has soon there is a decent competent cas player
Against an experienced cas player not even the pantsir will help you
He’s right. It’s ridiculous how evey Ground battle match is dominated by CAS players. Everytime I check the scoreboard CAS player are almost every time the top players. Spawn with SPAA is rarely a solid countermeasure, because you have only a very limited area you can move around the spawn and with the lack of armor you are most time only an other prey for CAS players. Countless times I left match after the first death only because 3-4 or planes flying around my spawnpoints only to intercept anything that dares to move an inch. And with the lack of spawnprotection you are doomed anyway.
