Yes, because it was introduced in the shadow of the MiG-23MLD when it was both overperforming in terms of flight characteristics AND radar performance. And it wasn’t a premium to start with. When it should’ve been introduced at the SAME TIME AS THE F-4E WAS TOP. Where Magic I would’ve been more than capable enough.
You should read the entire post instead of hitting reply on the first thing you disagree with, for all that is good in the world. I shouldn’t need to repeat myself on why I think it’s fairer for the earlier Mirage F1C variants (F1C and F1C-200) to lose Magic II and go down to F-4E BR.
This is a gross misunderstanding of how the Magic II IRCCM functions. When the seeker is locked and the FoV is shrunk, it physically cannot detect flares below a certain range. The aircraft itself is literally too large in the seeker’s field of view to allow flares to function. Even from a front aspect.
There’s too much to unpack here in one reply but I’ll give you these two things. I have used AA.20, Magic I, Magic II, MICA, R511, R530, Super 530F and Super 530D extensively. (That’s every single french AAM in the game) And everyone suffers from 12.0 BR compression up to 13.0 uptiers.
You do realize going down to 11.0 is a massive relative buff for the Mirage F1C? Relative flight performance, avionics and weapon load (aside from Magic II) is perfectly reasonable at 11.0 or 11.3 BR. It’s literally just Magic II that keeps Mirage F1C at 12.0 BR.
Some people just can’t ever fathom change, I guess. God forbid someone suggest a change that will improve the experience for Mirage F1C (and F1C-200) players.
I can fathom change, but Gaijin is the one that can bring us down to 11.7 and keep our Magic 2s. I would rather keep the Magic 2s than wait half a year for the Mirage to be brought down to 11.3 while we only get the worst radar missiles and half decent rear aspects.
Or did you forget the whole Kfir and J35XS thing, where they were 11.7 for most of 2024 because of the whole “rocket base” nerf.
That’s literally never going to happen. You either give up the best overall IR AAM in the game and go down in BR or you keep it and stay 12.0 BR. Gaijin understands fully the ramifications of IRCCM missiles with decent flight performance and will not allow that to go below 12.0 BR for now.
A-10C with AIM-9M and Su-25 variants with R-73 are the exclusive exceptions to “no IRCCM AAMs below 12.0 BR”, as they have flight performance deficiencies.
Apparently everyone forgets the R-60Ms exist, or the AIM 9Ls for the F-5s, and the Pythons, and the R23Ts and the R24Ts.
Although if you keep whining about the Magic 2s, I guess I better finish France real fast before they nerf French planes hard because “muh-jic 2s are vewy OP!”
I’m sorry I’m not accepting their flimsy argument as facts.
“No one has all aspects below 12.0”
Here’s a list of aircraft that have all aspects
“But that’s an exception, also R-60Ms are bad, m’kay”
Exceptions for me, not to thee. Also R-60Ms are still all aspect, therefore there are all aspects below 12.0, rendering the argument “no all aspects below 12.0” absolutely useless.
I don’t support their arguments either, I think neither of the proposals is great. Magic 2s shouldn’t be as low as they are the same as All Aspects shouldn’t be as low as they are.
Actually this “que times” is smoke in the player eye’s 24/7 you have from 40 to almost 200k players + the battles are decreasing in time so much that Realistic Air is less than Arcade Air Battle.
None of those have IRCCM, which you would have known is the primary factor that limits the minimum BR the Mirage F1 can go to if you read the post. Seriously, you’re not even bothering to look past the first thing you disagree with before vomiting out a contrived reply and another insult.
That’s copium, you gave up and lost the instant you decided to attack me instead of my argument. Half the time you didn’t even read the entire post before babbling off with some very loosely related trite.
I don’t believe you even had an argument in the first place, honestly. You probably just saw: “Mirage F1C (and F1C-200) should lose magic II”, and without thought responded in anger. Despite me posting justification and further context to the suggested “nerf”, that would make the Mirage F1C a stronger aircraft in the BR even without magic II.
Or we leave it alone. Simple as. No argument to just leave things be. The Mirage sucked without Magic 2s that’s a fact. Removing it will just make France unplayable again, and then it will take a long time for the BR to go down to 11.0 or 11.3 (just look at how long it took the J35XS and Kfir Canard to go back down to 10.3 and 10.7). I’ve been through the “rodeo” with Gaijin before. That’s why I am saying to just leave it alone, I would rather have the Mirage be halfway decent with the Magic 2s, than to have it be punished for the hope that it will be brought down to 11.3 or 11.7.