It’s not that i support or i should support 1dl or any kind of “bad behavior” , on the other hand why not?
I mean, why should you play if it’s not fun…?
Ex. The BS i pull off when i’m grinding mods.
And why not. The game makes you do them. If you stop and think the others then you lose something more precious…RL time. And in order to be able to just hop on play 2-3 games , play good , have fun etc. You have to spend 30 hours to grind mods. Now i’m grinding mods on F-14 IRIAF (yes i’ll play it at 13.0, i didn’t bother to play it so far) … my team is 1 person minus. I’m writing on forums while i’m flying. Why should i care? I don’t want to fly it in that state… i don’t even have proper missiles and CMs.
Fk it …kill time and eventually i’ll get the mods and start playing.
I would like to re respond. This game is such a trashy cesspool, led there by such horrible dev teams and players gameplay in general, that it deserves nothing more than holding W and hoping for anything the first life before moving on to the next match.
If a map is bad i don’t play it.
Sometimes i don’t even spawn once.
Just like now. I wanted to play a last one battle before bed. So i joined. Got bad map i hate and full uptier. Guess what - i will not be playing it, and i really, really, REALLY do not care about team that will play with one less player. I am not responsible for bad game design.
Games are something do be fun, not something to endure.
Trying to grind past around 6BR with no Premium is truly painful. I had a full line up of 6.7 US vehicles all un-modded and boy was it slow and painful.I decided to focus one vehicle at a time if I was going to stay and at least get the ability to repair in game.
I started having only one vehicle. It allowed me to get used to a new and very different type of vehicle and was the quickest way to at least get enough mods to survive.I shouldn’t have to grind the ability to repair in game or put out a fire. I felt aggrieved and didn’t feel I owned the game any thing in terms of respect as the game wasn’t respecting the player.
Too many people feel that Gaijin are greedy and disrespectful and therefore care little for in game etiquette.
Lets face it the game hasn’t changed hardly in 13 years or whatever it is so it’s not hard to see that Gaijin care little about what happens in game only how much cash they can rake in around the game.They are hoping you will get bored with the grind and reach for your credit card sooner rather than later.They even punish you with crew lock to mock you further.
To think that some players can’t see this and blame fellow players over the game makers says it all about how dense some people are.
When it comes to reasons for things happening you need to push through the symptoms to the cause of the issue.
Greed is the issue here not the player base. They have proven to be far too tolerant and probably to their own detriment.
To put things in perspective as well: Imagine if TF2 worked the same way where you can only play 3 class per life/play each class based on points. Given how fast you can die in TF2 this would make the game extremely brutal to play. War Thunder can have the same life to death timespan if the enemy team really rushes the enemy spawn or just CAS being CAS.
I think you can divde War Thunder into two sections. 1 The actual game.The maps,the sounds,graphics game play ,repetitive or boring nature of it or the enjoyment of playing. 2 Everything outside the game,the auction,the gambling ,the skins ,Battle pass etc.
So 1 conflicts with 2 and means that 2 is having an impact on ,if that makes any sense : )
It’s about what many of us are bringing to the party rather than the party itself.The game itself seems such a small part in WarThunder ,the talk is always about other aspects. Look at this forum for example.So about talk about vehicle history in a game that ignores history.There are also so many people with a personal agenda.
Currently my game play is about grinding so I am hiding ,sniping in a poor vehicles and just trying to get points where I can.Hard to get even mid table in scores
If I drop back a BR it’s totally different with a fully modded set and crew skills.
Overall WarThunder is a bit of a mess right now.
War Thunder has so many mechanics that are simply damaging from gameplay perspective but they are here because of Gaijin’s greed. Crew skills and whole Expert/Ace crew, vehicle modules, SL and whole economy around it like repairs, ammo cost, crew training, etc. - all those things are there just to extract money from players and does not provide anything good from gameplay perspective. It exists only to create frustration and push some players into spending money to be either competitive or to have some sort of advantage.
This is one of the reasons why I do not bother with lineups because I do not want to grind 5 crew slots. Also one tank lineup has advantage in stock grind as I simply do not grind modules on vehicles I am not interested in and I also do not grind modules on copy paste vehicles as there is no reason for me to.
I think maybe if they gave you the game for 6 months free then charged a small subscription from then on for everybody then maybe the game could be stripped free of all this crap and we could enjoy playing more, but when did you ever see Gaijin charge small for anything? This game is becoming more and more like a mobile game for kids.I think ODL is just a symptom of a wider issue as you say.
They could make it F2P with limited access(like rank V at max) and subscription based for full experience. Something similar has Trackmania where F2P has limited access and with subscription 20 Euro per year you get full access to live service game and there is no BS mechanics, just pure gameplay where only thing that matter is your skill. Trackmania is perfect example of well executed live service game. Some F2P games go with overpriced cosmetics but those will never have any impact on gameplay, which is ok in my eyes. But than there is War Thunder trying to min-max monetization in every possible aspect of game, which is sad because there is no other game like war thunder so they get away with it.
I would say I was forced into ODL for a while and my game style became so negative for me and for my so called team. My stats must have died : )
I watched a couple of videos that made me realise that we actually have a “Play to grind” vs " Play for fun" scenario.I never thought about it like that but then I always had premium.
Against 1DL it would help if there is a bigger reward or multipler for time in battle, so maybe you get only a small amount of rp and sl in the moment of the kill and at the end of the battle you get a big boni for time in battle (also in comprehansion to the time the battle take so if the battle takes 20min and you were 20min in the battle you get 100% of the boost but if the battle takes 30min and you were 20min in the battle you get bit less. It wont help against all 1DL but maybe it would help against those who leave after 5min of battle
If the grind is the reason for ODL or the costs/p2w elements are an issue i made this thread Would War Thunder be a better game if they dropped Free To Play?
Yep.
Also play to fun scenario is quite difficult to achieve consider MM based system where most players will have just one relevant queue for they and even then you have to deal with stuff you would rather not deal with like maps or for some CAS. Server based PvP games are much better in this case where you can choose server with most optimal settings that fits you so fun is maximized.
Grew lock
Given my recent events in this game,I found that play to the end when I have
1: A full line up at a certain BR ,eg Germany at 6BR, USA at 6.7,Russia at 4BR etc etc
2 : when every vehicle is modded fully or most of them anyway.
3: I have a map that I can use at least some of my chosen line up.
4: I have no agenda except having some fun,and War Thunder can be,lets not be totally negative : )
I ODL when 1: I have an agenda. Like Battle pass.
2: I have only one vehicle at a certain BR due to line up.Either premium or just the way the line up is for for lesser nations.
3: Quite a new one but on big maps on lower tiers I simply cant be bothered to drive so far for so long. Amplified by unmodded vehicles losing 80 BHP and doing 6MPH top speed.
4: The uptier but not just any uptier.I mean the full uptier when all or most of my line up are unmodified and I am firing poor ammo and doing a quarter of my top speed with no repair kit or FFE
With ODL Gaijin makes a rod for its own back and it likes to share the pain.
I’m sorry looking back at my post a couple days ago not realizing the 50% off and japan ground only event coinciding made me realize it was not harsh enough. This company deserves nothing.
I tend to ODL when we get stomped like tonight where I achieve like a 30% winrate despite being in the top 5-6 in each matches doing good while the rest of the teams are just bad or unlucky.
Why should I punish myself in higher repair cost and being spawnfarmed when I already got 3-4 kills, a cap and a couple assists before dying.
If the match goes well, I use a universal backup and stay in the fight, if the team get stomped, I GTFO and try my luck in another match.
I’m tired of the quality of the players that I get paired with, it’s not their fault, but it’s not mine either, they need to implement a ranked mode where you get a rating like in siege for example where bronze play with bronze and so on so we can expect to have teammates with skill levels somewhat similar to ours.
It would benefit everyone, good and bad players, help them improve too without being too frustrated and I would gladly then bring full lineups but for now it’s just not enjoyable.
And I don’t care what poeple think about that, I’m playing a game to have fun, not to please other poeple.
to be fair when i look at account users who die by 1 death leaving i end up needing to report them due to them being a bot account user with premium vic.
i never leave after 1 death though but there are so many bot accounts out there now that i need to report at least 3 people each match due to this BS
If 1 minute after respawn you get hit and die by one hit. How not to get out. Mean on spawn!
True, that’s valid reason to ditch a battle