Vk 36.01(H) Next step Tiger I

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Id like to suggest the Vk 36.01(H) armed with the 10,5 cm LeFH 18/3 like a german aquivalent of the M4A3 (105). It would offer a fun and well armed as well as armored close support tank to the lower ranks (3.0) and a sidegrade with a turret but also taller as well as with bigger weakpoints to the StuH 42 G.

History:
The German army allready befor the war wanted a heavy tank assoon as 1938 with the Vk 30.01 as a siege tank. In the following years till 1941 and early 1942 devlopment was till running, as the war progresses, ever growing enemy tanks appeared and as such the requirements also grew, while the weight class set complications on how the design may look, starting at the Vk 30.01, growing into the
Vk 36.01 and eventually into the Vk 45.01 and then into the Tiger I.

The Vk 36.01 was a slight redesign and upsized version of the Vk 30.01 after it was required to increase the armor to 80-100 mm as well as to carry bigger armarments than the Vk.30.01 after its turret wasnt able to carry greater armarment than the 7,5 cm KwK or 10,5 cm LeFH without great redesign.
Overall a couple of hulls and turrets were build and tested, however the ever ground thread and requirements put also a stop to it and development continued on the Tiger I.

The Vk 36.01 just like the Vk 30.01 befor it was envisioned as a breakthrough tank to replace the Pz III and IV as both an AT tank as well as infantry support tank, armed with a 10,5 cm LeFH 18/3 as well as with a 7,5/5,5 cm Waffe 0725 (Pak 41) or 7,5 cm KwK 40.
While they were never completed, the 10,5 cm LeFH 18/3 was (with standart mount instead of a turret mount as seen on the StuH 42 or PzSfl. IVb different recoil cylinders) instead mounted on the B1 Geschützwagen (f) and the Waffe 0725 were even planned to be completly mounted again late war and use left over Pak 41 ammo, however bombing destroyed them and stopped it.

Overall i am mainly suggesting the 10,5 cm LeFH 18/3 L/28 variant, but the others could be a different vehicle in form of Event or Premium or Modificaiton as well, tho at a higher BR.

Pictures of the Gun:(Click to show)

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Pictures of the Tank:(Click to show)

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The Gun:
10,5 cm LeFH 18/3 L/28
10 sec reload (aced) -10° to +20° and 360° traverse at 15-20°/sec
(With the Waffe 0725 it would only be -8°)

Pzgr. Aphe 14 kg 480 m/s 238g (304,64g aquivalent) filler 72mm/10m

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Pzgr. Rot Apcbc 15,56 kg 470 m/s 250g (357,5g) 84mm/10m

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F.H. Gr. He 14,81 kg 472 m/s 1,75 kg filler Fp.02 und Np.10 (2,24 kg TnTa)

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Gr. 39 Rot Hl/B Heat 12,35 kg 495 m/s 2,53 kg filler aquivalent 105mm/all

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Gr. 39 Rot Hl/C Heat 12,35 kg 495 m/s 2,53 kg filler aquivalent 115mm/all

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F.H.Gr. F He 14,81 kg 540 m/s 2,21 kg filler Fp.02 und Np.10 (2,83 kg TnTa)

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F.H. Gr. Nb. Smoke 14 kg 480 m/s 50g smokestuff dont expect much

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And optionally

10,5 / 7,5 cm Pzgr. 39 TS ApcbcDS 6,4 kg 765 m/s 17g H.10 138mm/10m

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The Vehicle:
Dimensions: 6,05 m / 3,14 m / 2,7 m
Weight: 40 t
Engine: HL 174 450 Ps / 3000 Rpm, later replaced by the HL 210 700 Ps / 3000 Rpm
Speed: 50 km/h
Armor: (See under Pictures)
Frontal: 80-100mm
Sides and Back: 60mm
Top and bottom: 25mm

Source:
Thomas L.Jentz Panzer Tracks
Thomas Anderson Tiger
Munition der 10,5 cm LeFH 18
Geschossringbuch II

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Would be very nice for filling in the gap of regular tanks between ~3.7 and ~5.0 in the tech tree.

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I have been asking the developers for both the VK3001h and VK3601h since the old forum.
I hope to see them here one day.

VK3601h
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In my humble opinion, a VK3001h with the KwK40 in 3.3~3.7 to pair with the PzIVF2 (as it has the same armor thickness)
And the VK3601h with the same armament, but in 5.0 to pair with the Panther prototype, would be perfect.

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No until they change the game modes where they are separate for historical battles and one for prototypes and paper tanks.

Does this turret and chassis look like paper to you?

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It looks like a pile of parts and an incomplete test vehicle to me.

Glad I’m not the only one to have this idea! Until then, I can’t support it being in the tech tree

Baby tiger with a 105 derp gun yes please

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Kindly tell me.
How does this affect the game?
I’ve been waiting for this tank since 2016.
And since 2016 I’ve been reading reviews like this, but I’ve never seen any technical arguments for this.

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Nice and Dam, if you would have posted that 30 min earlyer, i could directly have integrated that into the 2nd Suggestion for the 36.01 with Waffe 0725.

Also the depicted Pzgr 41 is the St. interesting to see that the core is 1,95kg which is pretty much double that what was know of. And to see a detailed drawing as it isnt in the Geschossringbuch I

Added to the collection:

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Do you perhaps also have more detailed info on the Pzgr 41 H.K. and its core weight or is it the same as the St.?

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I do not. That old excerpt I posted above was from this book (link) which I am not in possession of anymore

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An absolute +1 from me, honestly we need more tanks between the Panzer IIIs and the Tiger Is as the gap there is getting a tad bit ridiculous

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The problem is, it was never actually put together. I definitely would like to see it in a gamemode with vehicles that weren’t quite historical (VK 16, WZ 111, Kranvagn, etc.) however

Runs and drives, and did mud traverse testing. Sounds pretty complete to me.

Waffe 0725 got cancelled early on, so the turret was never mounted - however it was built.

Prototype vehicles saw combat all the time for field testing. And since this was built, it isn’t a paper tank.

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Not going to be much use in the game as an open topped tractor…

Many vehicles already in the game were never completely put together and are good additions.

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You make that sound like a good thing. But here let me repost my original (constructive) thoughts:

I think some Germanmains are just trying to sneak a Tiger in under 5.0.

And where exactly can i find such a Tiger that could go undet 5.0?
If you are hinting at this suggestion, its not a tiger, not does it have the armor nor the gun of a Tiger I. So of course it would go under 5.0.

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