Well, if that was the case, wouldnt the Sea vixen have moved up in Sim long ago?
This is Gaijin and Britain we are talking about. They must have justification for it being 8.3 otherwise it would be at 9.3 as you guys want it. Its not like teh Soviets or the US where things are massively under BRed
Especially since the Red Tops got overall nerfed not that long ago.
with the same logic before the br raise for realistic people could say “wouldnt it have been moved up a long time ago” until it got moved lol
with the case, you cant disagree that if it is performing well it shouldnt be moved
additionally regardless of how you talk about other aircraft and their performance we are focusing on vixen and you can make your posts again where you complain about other aircraft and their br’s all that matters is that vixen performs well at x battlerating
i support the increase for sim battles since the realistic battles change was clearly good. it might be that gaijin is considering it because sim changes happen after rb changes anyway
the change was pretty frequent aswell so it is still in good time for the new br update
But is it though?
Is it overperforming at all?
Thats the thing, you are claiming its MASSIVELY overperforming, but it just isnt.
As you yourself said
So what are you meant to do in an actual 1v1 fight other than run-away?
The ability to attack distracted or unawares players is overall irrelevant to balance. I’ve gotten plenty of kills vs Mig-23MLD s in the Tornado Gr1 which is somehow a higher BR but that doesnt mean they would be equal in a 1v1 fight.
The Sea Vixen has a single play, find a target and set up an intercept, hoping the target doesnt see them coming. If it does, run away.
Plenty of things can simply run away from a fight but arent considered OP at their respective BRs and the fact that supersonics still exist at 9.3 in RB is clear evidence that Gaijin doesnt consider that factor alone.
8.7 fine, for a trial. But 9.0 is just insane given what else is at 9.0 currently. There is little you could do vs G-91s except hope you can run away if they see you coming.
all it needs to do is perform well at the highest possible battle rating which sets the correct battle rating
when it starts performing poorly, the battle rating is too much.
this helps lower battlerating planes not have to deal with such planes that can perform well at higher battle ratings regardless
so with that in mind, its not about “over performing” but battlerating corrections. a plane can perform well at 2 different battle ratings, if that is the case then the higher one should be picked because they still perform well there
and dont yap to me about the gamestyle it doesnt matter as long as active players perform adequately well with it
So. the Sea Vixen was fine at 8.7. Moved to 9.0 and started performing poorly due to the massive increase in both supersonic and CM carriers it faces.
Therefore it needs to move back down to 8.7. Glad we are in agreement,
Given the totally random nature of many BR decisions. Its pretty clear Gaijin does not look at normal things for balance.
(Hunter FGA9 being 9.7 but French Hunter F6 being 9.0)
(FGR2/FG1 being 11.3 but F4J(UK) being 12.0)
(Mig-23MLD And Sea Harrier FRS1 both being 11.3)
is performing fine based on active player statistics and you can see that yourself by playing at the battle rating and following around those and taking a look at the ingame leaderboards but keep yapping
theres a difference between theories and facts
capabilities will always be this and that. the active players just need to be able to perform well in matches in general with those capabilities and they are.
I have played matches since the changes and stopped. It was boring and stupid to try and fight things with CMs, especially those like the AV-8A with 240 flares when you only have 4x rear-aspect IR missiles that are 1 tap flare defeats. With no gun, there is nothing you can do but sit on their tail waiting for them to run out of flares.
Also nothing you can do if a Mig-21 or F-104 at 9.3 decides to attack you.
Last match I tried in the Sea Vixen, I spent the entire match orbiting waiting for shot oppunities. none arose. Everytime I dived onto a target, they turned and I couldnt get a lock. Its woefully underpowered at 9.0 in its current state.
cool. there are players who havent stopped and are doing well unlike you. you have the same plane so the only difference is skill. you earlier mentioned others having a skill issue against vixen. maybe you have a skill issue here now?
So when you have no argument against how a Sea Vixen is meant to fight something with CMs or something supesonic you result to a “lol skill issue” comment.
Given you havent got a single match in the Sea-Vixen and onyl want it nerfed from facing it I assume. sounds more liek you have skill isuses in facing the sea vixen
Yes, Red tops perform the same in both RB and SB. Just turn and they miss
its the fact that a plane doesnt need to be able to fight against every other plane it goes against. just enough that it has a well positive kd ratio. most planes that it faces doesnt have cms etc.
it doesnt matter that it is difficult for you to kill some planes as long as you kill others and have a good kd ratio, kill more than what you die. and it is doing that which is awesome. vixen is performing as expected
Lets do some matches, first game, full uptier.
im actually considering buying it. i again dont need to have matches i already told you how i easily figured out how you can look how the plane performs
i dont even play at 8.0, 9.0 or at 10.0
i can just join matches and look how they perform and get it from that
me not playing actively in gameplay style there doesnt change the fact that it performs well amongst active players
So the sea Vixen is perfectly balanced if it cant kill anything that knows it there?
clearly it is able to kill aircraft at it’s current br considering kd ratios of the matches regardless of your theories
your argument of cherry picking opponents doesnt work really
First match. I got 1 kill vs an Su-7 that energy trapped themselves and then got killed by a Mig-19PT that dived down from above, couldnt run away and had no chance of winning a turn fight. Was already a bit on the slow side from dodging a Hunter F58 that came at me. 3/4 Red tops fired. 2 missed a target barely turning the third nearly missed the Su-7 and I got lucky wit hthe prox fuse and large warhead
Was nearly killed by a mig-21 at the match start, luckily he went for someone else instead
The other Sea Vixen in game went 0/1
Match 2, 0.7 uptier. 1 other Vixen present
and i can give you examples of bad matches ive had even with any other plane despite me (and other active players) doing well with it
you cant win every match you play. some matches you get 0 kills some many
statistics prove that in the average match they play they are having a positive kd ratio regardless of how poorly you perform in the plane
theres always going to be those who do badly and complain and barely play the plane and then theres players who normally play the plane and do fine with it at the br it is in.
and instead of looking at couple matches, i suggest you to look at multiple players within tens of matches.
But by your logic, I should be getting 4x Kills every match without effort or is the Sea Vixen not OP?