9.3 is too high for it.
he himself said we are arguing for 9.3 though so i played along
IT ONLY HAS THOSE MISSILES
of course they are better than others at the same BR, it has a massive disadvantage with no gun.
F-104 is supersonic at a BR where most are sub-sonic, by your logic for balancing the Sea Vixen “its faster therefore it must be at a higher BR” the F-104 would then be 11.3 at least. After all, you claim it can get 6x kills per sorite easily and therefore must be massively under BRed
R-60s have 3x the G pull and cannot be kinematically defeated to the same degree
If it must face supersonics and those armed with superior rear-aspect IR missiles with no guns. Then it should be given its IRL weapons. Unlike SRAAMs which are also meant to be all-aspect. You can actually kinematically defeat a Red Top, they are not like R-60Ms or Aim-9Ls which cannot be defeated under most circumstances.
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go make a post for f-104 then. the constant “what about x” means you dont have any valid arguments and you have to start changing the topic at other aircraft
this is a post for vixen. stay on topic or get flagged
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I never complained about it being quiet though. Only that it being quiet meant I could sneak about with greater ease. I also did quite well in the Javelin last time I played it, even in an uptier match, despite the fact its probably the weakest aircraft at its BR and needs a BR drop. Balancing a vehicle because the BR isnt overly popular and so quiet is just a stupid way to balance anything.
No, Precussion wants it at 9.3 because apparently Red Tops are equal in performance to R-60s
cool, feel free to argue against him. scared of the 9.0 argument though?
Aim-9Gs, SRAAMs and R-60s are worse than Red Tops?
Have you never played this game before?
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yeah, and if that is why youre performing above expectations (you said its “because…”), lets make it a little more crowded shall we?
if the KD ratio becomes more balanced at 1.5 instead of 2.7 then that is awesome change regardless of how you put it. imagine, you get to kill 1 and half aircraft for one death, what a bargain!
9.0 is just as stupid. Most are superior to the Sea Vixen and 8.7 is the max it should be in either gamemode. The fact it went to 9.0 in RB is just plain stupid.
Otherwise I’ll start voting for Yak-38M to 10.0 because it has R-60s or Q-5 to 10.0 because its 100 KPH faster than most at 9.3.
Its just bad arguments. To look ONLY at the minor speed advantage the Sea vixen has and the fact it has slightly above average missile but then just ignore anything and everything else about it is just dumb.
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no? people still have good KD and are killing more people than what they are dying lol. you just dont want nerfs because you want highest possible ease of killing others
gaijin seeing that the vixen’s br should be raised may get it raised soon in simulator battles too which im thrilled about (since sim changes often happen after changes to rb)
You have a 2 K/D in the F-8E in RB, I guess that should move to 11.0 then. And if you are against it, you jsut want free kills.
Same for the Mirage 2K C-S4, nearly a 3 K/D ratio in that, I guess that should go to 13.0 then
F-14A in Sim you have a 2 K/D ratio, I guess that needs to move to 13.0 as well
And as I said with your example against the G.91, against the Sea Vixen neither does anyone else because there is nobody even at 9.0 or 9.3 that can actually catch up to you.
9.7 for an A or C models with 9Bs only
Given that the Crusader also sits at 10.0 it’s perfectly balanced. At the BR it sits at, you have to actually think about how to engage certain targets as other aircraft can find you easily with their own radars.
In the Sea Vixen, again, what is an F9F-8 gonna do about you? It’s 100kph slower when clean, with far worse TWR.
If used properly your target won’t even know they’ve been launched. If they somehow do know, you’re faster than them anyway so just go away for a bit and come back later.
Where are the supersonics at 9.0 and 9.3
9.7 and up
This implies you see it coming and a properly played Sea Vixen eliminates or severely reduces this possibility.
F-86K is 9.3 with inferior speed, missiles, acceleration, maneuverability, etc. and yet it does just fine and I have found it extremely enjoyable to play. Even J35As (9.7) aren’t safe from me as there is always some counterplay possible.
9.3 would still let you avoid ALL the AIM-9G and supersonics while not farming flareless, slower subsonics too much. At 8.3 currently, a downtier will let you see WW2 jets.
The Sea Vixen would be lower in air RB if the game was decompressed, and if it couldn’t face 7.7 jets which can’t even touch it. Even the undertiered 8.0 MiGs/Sabres are hard to use against it.
Wish granted. (Sim BRs)
except i completely agree with that lmao it was moved up to 10.7 because it was too good for 10.3 and same shall happen to vixen
i played f-14a in sim before active radar missiles were added for other nations so my kd on that isnt up to date
keep up with the whataboutism
what about this what about that. hole in your argument was when i agreed, so in the end it means youre forced to follow through with the supportive logic of sea vixen’s br raise
i made good argument and you werent able to argue against it, you instead started talking about other planes so with the logical fallacy in place, why dont we agree that i win? if someone has nothing other than logical fallacies we can agree that they have lost, right? awesome.
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Q-5 Early though is 9.3
I support this. I never thought it belonged at 9.3 to begin with.
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epic. he can make his own post for that instead of making offtopic comments here about other aircraft BR when this post is made for discussing vixen’s br
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Sea-Vixen does not belong above 8.7.
It has no Gun.
It has no CMs
Its armed with only 4x Rear-aspect IR missiles
It has 2 advantages that set it apart
- it is 50-100 kph or so faster than most others on average
- it has a radar
You rarely get a shot oppotunity because the Red Tops have a very limited rear-aspect lock angle, despite being all-aspect IRL.
If the target is actively turning, such as in a dogfight, unless the target is slow, the missile will miss, they have a max G pull 12G.
You will not win a dogfight if you try and its unlikely you will kill the target even if you get on their tail. Only times I have gotten a kill in this regard is because the target practically stalled out and gave me a free shot.
You spend most of your time up high hunting for Bombers or engaging distracted targets, There is little you can do to defend yourself if attacked as you have no guns and the aforementioend weaknesses, all you can do is run away.
If running away is OP, then there are many Supersonics woefully under BRed and many Sub-Sonics Over BRed. Hell I’ve had Mig-29s run away from me in the Harrier Gr7 before, Does that mean the Mig-29 is massively Under BRed?
The idea that a Sub-sonic aircraft, armed with 4x limited range and performance IR missiles and no gun must be the same BR as aircraft faster, better equiupped and overall much better is just insane. 9.0 is stupid. 9.3 is just insane.
8.7 maybe, but is pushing it since the Red Top nerfs.
The people who want it at 9.3 just want the free kill and dislike anything being equal at 8.3. Its funny to think people want the Mig-15 to just dominate at 8.3 without counter. Especially given how much it outperforms nearly everything else.
Given that most who are arguing for it to be 9.3 have never played it, not even a single match. Its hard to understand where their experience comes from.
anyone can spin around the disadvantanges and advantanges part and make it go in favor of them by weightning advantanges and disadvantanges how they want to
i could spin around this stuff about the pantsir and flarakrad or abrams and leopard 2a7
but im not stupid so i dont participate to these games where we spin around these things and get nowhere
gaijin experimented by increasing the sea vixen’s battle rating in realistic battles and found out that it is performing well with increased battle rating and players are having good KD ratios. It was therefore a good battlerating change and well fit, the aircraft is performing well despite all of your advantange/disadvantange arguments here.
considering that, we should experiment with the simulator battlerating and increase it to 9.0 and if the sea vixen has good KD ratio there for most players, it indicates a well fitting battle rating and is a good change. lets try and find out.
obviously if the kd ratio turned out to be bad the change should be reversed. so, why dont we go and support the idea of finding out whether a bigger battlerating is suitable for vixen
are you unconsciously scared of vixen performing well at a higher battle rating?