Top Tier Russian Fighters are worse than nearly all of their competition

News flash, year of introduction doesn’t have to do with performance to the regard that its some hard barrier… J-7E is a 1990s modification which was added to the game when most jets were flying in ~65-70. If you waited to add the J-7E with its year date you would be adding it after the F-15E.

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I mean if planes are balanced off performance then by definition they’d be balanced right? Since giajin implements and controls the balancing.

Unless you mean which ones they add is based off performance. In which case fair, but I still don’t like it.

As a GRB player who would benefit from better Russian planes since that is the next tree I will complete in full(the one I mostly play now)… I would like this… but for balanced gameplay in GRB I don’t like it. I don’t think it’s fair to nations that have subpar anti-air to deal with a nation having the best helis, best AA and then a completely viable CAP platform too on top of it to deal with protection of their GREAT CAS. Even if there’s arguments to be made which is better, US or RU CAS.

I don’t like the slant it creates in gameplay.

I realize I’m in an AirRB thread though now though. Still, it affects GRB because these planes getting buffs doesn’t push them up in BR it just increases their(and their nations) performance against peers in top tier without those peers receiving a similar push in performance to deal with this added threat. Which are already lacking MUCH more in their ability to deal with air threats, which quite capable CAP helped out a bunch with.

Assumes gaijin does it with the vehicles in mind and not just what SL they make or how the average player plays them (the average player is terrible). Gaijin does the latter.

Why

russian fighters being better at being fighters is not relevant to grb besides cap which is very niche and the usa fighters would still be just as good at

why would it, air BRs and not tied to ground BRs at all

It didn’t even take one complete sentence for you to show that it is relevant in GRB. It isn’t at all niche. It is most people(that I know) go to AA answer because our AA’s mostly suck and are completely outclassed by CAS and pantsir. While even the pantsir is outclassed by CAS, but is leagues better than the other options on average.

Do you even play GRB? Or do you only only play USSR GRB? It’s not even niche in the slightest.

And you know there are other nations besides the U.S. right? This game has more than USSR and USA. What’s their answers to the above with planes “just as good” as your potential idea while lacking in all the others?

It’s unbalanced and you would want to make it more so.

And I still don’t get how you don’t understand BR’s are irrelevant when you’re discussing top tier. There’s nothing higher, it’s just best equipment.

again, since its hard for you to read, in a very specific and very NICHE way that has little impact. and ALSO again, BRs are SEPARATED ENTIRELY from air and ground RB so there is no discussion here. They are balanced separately. And AGAIN, even doing what I suggested would not put russian aircraft in a position of power against USA aircraft which if you werent aware is the most pampered air nation from 1.0 to 13.7…

You can check profiles and find out

Let’s pretend the Gripen, J-10A, F-15, or F-16 suffer against a buffed MIG-29 or Su-27 yeah?

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Since you are unable to discuss things without resorting to insulting behavior which is why you weren’t responded to before. You wont be now.

You started your last reply with "

which I find to be an arrogant way to open a reply… especially since it’s just missing the point entirely in favor of mental gymnastics.

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Further examples of arrogant behavior from you include:

When it’s so easy to check profiles to see what a user plays, it is just arrogant to say this when it’s easy to find out I have the perspective needed to make the claims I am making.

Also, ask gaijin to fix BR compression then instead of asking for USSR fighters to be intentionally and artificially gimped to help soothe aching USA/GER main complaints about the pantsir or other annoying russian problems

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lol Gripen also got nerf multiple times in the past fews months more times than MiG and SU

I hate to break it to the but the Mig-29 nerf was way more substantial than all the Gripen nerfs combined, atleast in terms of how the jet flies compared to pre-nerf

And? you really expect SU-27 to win dogfight against small light weight canards delta wing like Gripen everytimes? as it Gripen was designed that ways?

definitely not, gripen still has a great FM even afterwards, mig29 was pretty gutted

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Literally this

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As it shadow of it former self
Yet F-16 leave untouched

reverting all the 29 nerfs would create a super fun top tier experience for both sides where each side has distinct advantages in the dogfight again. F-16 vs MiG29 used to be a great fight

Well, the F-16 was buffed when the Mig-29 nerf happened, no g limiter

Wether or not that is substantial is, here or there, I just want the Mig-29’s fixed and the Su-27’s reworked

There are 5 different ARH missiles excluding the Phoenix. I used all of them except the Derby and I can say that the R-77 is the worst. R-77 is definitely worse than the AMRAAM/Rb99, PL-12 and AAM-4 by a large margin, and I would say it’s even worse than the MICA at closer ranges where the R-77 should “perform well”.

Does 5 extra degrees really matter when you are using active radar missiles anyway?

You would have to cherry pick to find something good to say about these planes.

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Mig-29SMT is the F-16C equivalent.
Su-34 will be F-15C equivalent when added.

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