This is true. I still have a blast in the Su-27 once I get within 12km of my target when I can rely on the 27ERs, and the R-73s are incredibly good in dogfights. It is true that the meta has shifted to Aim-120s, but when the meta was SARH, Russia was the undisputed king of top tier ARB.
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magic 2 can pull 50g’s with dual plane but dual plane isnt modeled in wt
The previous meta was Fox-2 furballs and the undisputed king was the Grippen and the F-16C before it. We never had a SARH meta for the 27ER to dominate. 100m multipathing made sure of that.
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and russia certainly wasn’t a BVR king in the days before the flanker when their absolute very best planes had a staggering stockpile of an entire two (2) Fox1s.
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I will go with that, but perhaps I hated that era of WT in F16c because I had a lot of teammates who tried to Long Range Joust with r27ers, and there for a while flying in a F16c was like playing with a last place team, whole team being smashed in 3 or 4 minutes…Its like they got Tom Brady, when the fox 3s came out.
No doubt about it.
Literally, 100 meter multipathing made basically any Fox 1 irrelevant if you played smart.
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A BVR meta couldn’t exist with 100m multipathing because it was trivial to just hug the ground into the merge where you could go crazy with IRCCM missiles. What the 27ER was best at was punishing people that tried climbing above the multipath height to try to cut some corners in their turns within the fox2 furball. Everything was centered around the furball.
Even without multipathing, you can’t seriously compete at BVR with only two Fox1s. American were seething that the missile was better than their sparrow, and it would have been much deadlier if stapled to an F-14 in supplies of six or so, but russia themselves didn’t get a single plane that could carry the 27ER in any appreciable numbers until the Su-27 and that meta was SOLIDLY dominated by the Grippen. Because again: There was no BVR meta in a 100m multipathing environment.
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Me personally, I never understood the whining about the R-27ER, it didn’t really start shining until 60 meter multipathing.
I was just outside smoking when a plane popped into my head, in the last meta, the F16A with its six aim9Ls., Not bad now, however, then and even more so now, look I have the early A10 at BR10.7 I believe, with two aim9Ls, and its a beast at that BR, but yet still players beginning to flare those off as it is easy to do. Now, at BR12.7 flying an F16a, is tiresome, you almost have to sneak up on people to get an airkill, because with the heavy calibur countermeasures at that BR, aim9Ls might as well be aim9Bs. No radar missiles, so you somewhat have to hide, or be a very good defensive player at the start of match. DEFYN, on YouTube said as a joke let me take this F16A out with six aim9Ls, and he even said it was laughable. Would you say this is correct, with all its great flight performance, aim9Ls just dont cut it at BR12.7 against someone even half experienced.
I have about all the planes I want, but one of the last ones I am about to come up on, the Yak141, I am curious to see how it will do…but I think it would be a curiosity to be able to play and have an option to play the game, post update so and so, which will never happen, but I believe the Yak141 must have been a beast about a year ago. Everyone flies differently, I have noticed over my 12 years since Beta, hence all the players favorite planes, I love the Zero, for instance, a boom and zoomer may hate it. But Im saying that to say, I will take a good radar missile over a good IR any day myself. It just seems its a lock thats harder to break. I am quick enough with them as I have 9 buttons on my mouse, lol, as they are for me, just as quick an option as an IR. Yeah, one good thing about the IRs is a lot of them have a good G pull, I have seen the r73s in particular, do things, no other IR in game can do. I miss being able to use them in the current BR13 action, its becoming more of a “6-7km on out battle” now.
With two r27ers, and two r27s, the Yak 141 seems on paper, if it has a good radar, a sneaky character.
The 141 is held back by its low pylon count, the lack of its IRCCM dogfight missiles, low countermeasure count, and subpar RWR. The 27ER is still the best Fox-1 by a lot, but in uptiers the worst Fox3 fundamentally has an advantage over someone who needs to maintain a lock with a fox1. Despite being subsonic the SPAMRAAM harrier one BR step above the 141 is a much better fighter.
The evidence being…?
Thank you for your reply, as I do not have the Yak141 yet, probably in about two weeks.
The RWR is what concerns me. I have one plane, that is very good, the Persian Tomcat, but its drawback is its terrible RWR, as it spends a lot of time at altitude. That being said, how is the Yak 141 for a pilot who doesnt care about airkills? I have over 10,000 airkills in game and so airkills are not everything to me anymore. I just enjoy flying my accumulated planes, just to see what they can do.
Do you have the Yak 141? And if so, is it an enjoyable plane to fly?
Because I will be quite honest, I have a number of planes, and I have in my stable a few number of what I call “Killer Planes” when I want to be serious and am feeling aggressive.
Is the Yak 141 survivable in a good pilots hands? WT is not my main hobby as it used to be.
And so Im just curious, Is the Yak 141 decent? Because I will fly a plane 50 or so times just to see what it will do in different scenarios, I am past airkills mate, does that make sense?
Once I see what it does “in game” and then I will take it out to fight.
Statistics do not mean anything to me, regarding airkills, If Im playing serious I can meet any mate in game in one of my planes and give good battle. Airkills and k/d ratio, Im well past that, I dont need to measure anymore.
The measurement is over, thats why I fly my planes in battle for quite a few flights to see what the plane does…lm 82nd Airborne, Panama, Iraq, and Afghanistan, I just want to know what the plane does.
The Yak-141 is really good, excellent flight performance, good radar, HMD, good missiles, enough countermeasures for the br. The RWR is kinda mid, but nothing too different from what you see at the br anyway, so it’s fine, the main drawbacks imo are a small amount of gun rounds and only 4 air to air missiles with a lack of good IR missiles. But if you use your gun carefully and your missiles carefully, you can avoid the lack of weaponry somewhat, but it’s not as big of a deal as it sounds. It is a 9/10 jet imo.
The Yak-141 is way better than any Russian jet past 12.7 in terms of competitiveness at it’s br. It is a shame jets like the Mig-29SMT and Su-27SM are not as good as it.
That sounds pretty good, thank you for your reply to that. Im not looking for an exactly “OP plane” just a plane that can come into battle and not suffer from any bad characteristics developed by the devs
A consistent plane
It’s a very consistent jet, you can do quite well in it. It doesn’t have any major flaws.
Thank you, I was just wondering, it seems to have everything, but I will have to question a pilot itself untill I fly it in game
I’ve flown it a lot, it’s one of my favorite jets.
Yes it’s russian bias not that you lack the skill or anything else. The last part is correct
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