ER is ahistorical in the 9.12/9.13 airframes (they added it for “balance” and overcompensated), and R-73+ER like in the 29G makes it 13.0, which is the same br as the Flanker which can carry the same payload + 4 ERs
Mica ir. And you could add the upgraded seeker which would make it nigh invoulnerable to counter measures.
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I wouldn’t mind a Mig-29 with R-73’s, R-27ER’s, a better flight model at 13.0, gets rid of the tradeoff of what radar missile you have. I’d do anything for a flight model buff, a br jump isn’t too bad
The IR will definitely be nasty, I wasn’t thinking of Fox 2’s.
Very nasty. Definetly shouldnt be added anytime soon.
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Fr, thing’s got like a 60km NEZ. Will be one the last ARH’s added to Warthunder.
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And its a compact and maneuverable. Its just an insane missile, lmao watch italy become the best a2a tree just because of the f35+meteor
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Not to even mention the 200km or so launch range.
We’re going to need completely new, ultra large maps, with lots of verticality to break LOS before the game is ready for such missiles.
I think most of the European F-35 operators are planning eventual Meteor integration.
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True. I just like italy because were going to make them in country
Oh I wasn’t referring to the R-77 specifically here. I was more thinking of planes like the new M2000-D who only carries MICA-IR IRL, or R73 already having the R73M upgrade since 1997 while the Su34 is much more recent.
Missiles introduction date don’t really matter IMO. Capabilities does, and as long as the missile could be reasonably used IRL I don’t see the problem in adding slightly unhistorical loadouts for the sake of balance.
Also I previously mentioned Su30SM, but I think Su35S or Su30MK would also be really good planes to bring russia a bit more up to par. Or maybe Mig29K to keep the continuity with the naval line after the Yak141 ?
So to sum up Russia Air… worst radars and worst missiles
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This is iffy, because I think there is legitimate arguments to be made that R-73 is situationally the best IR thanks to TVR. 27ER is the best SARH, and 27ET is the best LR IR.
But for ARH, - what matters most in ARH meta -, yeah, probably worst.
Had a game in F-15I yesterday where a Su27SM was like 6-7km behind me, and the guy could just do nothing against me. I could simply outrun everything he threw at me. If our positions were reversed, probably would have been joever for him.
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And near worst flight models. Not the worst only because stuff like the Viggen, F-4, AV-8, and Tornado sees top tier
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The Russian Flankers are slightly better in that regard. J-11 starts to struggle against a low-fuel F-4S in my experience. J-11 is 570kg heavier than Su-27S.
I mean sure. But that isnt “bringing missiles much older” its the opposite in a few cases (r27er being much better than aim7m because it was made for fighting aim120s), its “our top tier missiles just dont cut it comparsd to competition” which i agree with.
But i cant really see any way to fix this, as adding something as new as the r77-1 would tip the scale slightly in russias favour, alot if they keep the unrealistic 50gs of overload(r77 doesnt have thrust vectoring). And having a missile from 2015 against a missile from the late 80s is absurd imo.
Fixing fms comes first. That would allow the su27 do defend better and to be decently competitive at close range.
Both still deserved to be buffed flight model-wise, especially since China also uses a decent amount of Flankers
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Flanker drag buff would apply to all future Flanker airframes, so it will be beneficial.
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Indeed
You dont need trust vectoring to hit 50gs…
You kinda do though. Non trust vwctoring missile capable of those kind of g pulls arent on aircraft that aside r77 isnt capable pulling 50gs.