Not to even mention the 200km or so launch range.
We’re going to need completely new, ultra large maps, with lots of verticality to break LOS before the game is ready for such missiles.
I think most of the European F-35 operators are planning eventual Meteor integration.
True. I just like italy because were going to make them in country
Oh I wasn’t referring to the R-77 specifically here. I was more thinking of planes like the new M2000-D who only carries MICA-IR IRL, or R73 already having the R73M upgrade since 1997 while the Su34 is much more recent.
Missiles introduction date don’t really matter IMO. Capabilities does, and as long as the missile could be reasonably used IRL I don’t see the problem in adding slightly unhistorical loadouts for the sake of balance.
Also I previously mentioned Su30SM, but I think Su35S or Su30MK would also be really good planes to bring russia a bit more up to par. Or maybe Mig29K to keep the continuity with the naval line after the Yak141 ?
So to sum up Russia Air… worst radars and worst missiles
This is iffy, because I think there is legitimate arguments to be made that R-73 is situationally the best IR thanks to TVR. 27ER is the best SARH, and 27ET is the best LR IR.
But for ARH, - what matters most in ARH meta -, yeah, probably worst.
Had a game in F-15I yesterday where a Su27SM was like 6-7km behind me, and the guy could just do nothing against me. I could simply outrun everything he threw at me. If our positions were reversed, probably would have been joever for him.
And near worst flight models. Not the worst only because stuff like the Viggen, F-4, AV-8, and Tornado sees top tier
The Russian Flankers are slightly better in that regard. J-11 starts to struggle against a low-fuel F-4S in my experience. J-11 is 570kg heavier than Su-27S.
I mean sure. But that isnt “bringing missiles much older” its the opposite in a few cases (r27er being much better than aim7m because it was made for fighting aim120s), its “our top tier missiles just dont cut it comparsd to competition” which i agree with.
But i cant really see any way to fix this, as adding something as new as the r77-1 would tip the scale slightly in russias favour, alot if they keep the unrealistic 50gs of overload(r77 doesnt have thrust vectoring). And having a missile from 2015 against a missile from the late 80s is absurd imo.
Fixing fms comes first. That would allow the su27 do defend better and to be decently competitive at close range.
Both still deserved to be buffed flight model-wise, especially since China also uses a decent amount of Flankers
Flanker drag buff would apply to all future Flanker airframes, so it will be beneficial.
Indeed
You dont need trust vectoring to hit 50gs…
You kinda do though. Non trust vwctoring missile capable of those kind of g pulls arent on aircraft that aside r77 isnt capable pulling 50gs.
You dont, there are plenty of examples of missiles capable of doing that kind of gs without thrust vectoring, like the asraam or the phyton 4, the thing is that at even on trust vectoring missiles most of the force is applied by the control surfaces as you cant realistically get into these kind of gs unless the missile is going pretty much at it maximum speed. You can see this pretty well on the mica where you cant anywhere close to 50g unless it is going fast enough
irrelevant.
my argument was that r77 cant pull 50gs.
irl i can see it maybe theoretically be able to pull 50gs right at the moment its at its peak of acceleration. but that really doesnt matter does it?
It is still a 90s missile, btw it is a medium range missile, with relatevely small control surfaces so it is completely possible that the r77 can reach those with lattice fins that are well know to be able to operate at much higher AOA without stalling, again original argument that you were claiming is you cannot reach 50g whitout thrust vectoring and i just proved you that is not the case, so your hole argument is pretty much meaningless, so unless you have a better evince that it cannot reach 50g the youre just talking bs.
It pretty much matters…
btw where do you even think that the r77 is pulling 50gs in game ? buddy the r77 aint pulling 50gs at mach 1, they are not pulling 50g at mach 1.5 either they are pulling them at much higher speeds, like btw most missiles, even the ones with thrust vectoring…
We can shoot missiles to the Moon, but if there is a target there and it cannot be locked, with IRST or the radar, then it can propel itself out of the Solar System and its nothing but a traveling rocket. Point is, well said, missiles are nothing if they cannot lock.
It is funny that you say that, most of the uptier jets I used in this game up to about 6 months ago were Russian jets. I rarely flew my F16C with its Aim7s because it was going up against r27ers, the rest of the team was getting smashed…etc. But at the same time I always realized that in the last 30 years or so US jets, or in effect NATO jets have smashed Eastern jets in the air and thats in reality.
And so when the Fox 3s came out, and everyone started jumping on the F16 and F15 bandwagon, I did as well because, well maybe they were finally performing in game like they do in real life.
I will always believe there was a Russian bias in this game, up until about a year ago, and I really believe that Money and Revenue was the reason for the change more than anything. Some Billy Bob Redneck sitting here in US isnt going to keep spending money if the US planes he always heard about arent any good in game. LOL, good luck mate
Weird take since the previous meta was dominated by close range furballs with the AIM-9M, not the 27ER, being king and the F-16C only being surpassed by the Grippen…