Chat is this real
Crazy how people can’t read.
I’ve never said the ER is competitive in a fox 3 meta.
This is like the 5th time I’ve had to correct someone and its getting a bit annoying. Read previous comments for context before jumping in and assuming my points.
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Please keep it on topic guys
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I can read pretty well.
It’s obvious your posts with videos are a clear way of trying to portray ER to be better than it actually is in the current state of the game.
Your anecdotes have no meaning to the thread buddy.
I completely understand what you were talking about mate, I was only talking about the r27er, one of my favorite missiles, I get what you were saying…Did I say in my post that you were wrong mate?
I do not get on the forum chats much, but wow, they always seem to digress into a childish argument dont they?
So the 21bis basically relies on the gun or food then?
And US mains want to up it’s BR.
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No relation to current topic at all
The Mig-21Bis is not top tier, which is the focus of the post.
Having longer range missiles doesn’t mean a better missile, it just means it has a longer range. Since countries are building gen 5 planes which we’ve had for nearly 30 years. Our missiles didn’t need to strike as far because the gap in performance before detection was so great.
Plus, normally your big long range a2a missiles aren’t for jets, they’re for awacs. To get rid of the eyes in the sky.
And just looked this up and I was wrong lmfao. I was always under the impression these missiles we’re for the awacs.
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Having longer range can mean a better missile in many cases, and they can hit fighters, not just AWACS. And the whole stealth thing isn’t even an argument because not every jet we use is a stealth jet, and stealth jets also benefit from longer range missiles, I mean, UK F-35’s can carry the Meteor.
Stealth is completely an argument and the argument. That was the whole purpose of them. I assume we’re talking about IRL not the game, because in game I have no idea, but in reality, stealth was everything and now it’s still important but IRST is closing the gap.
Your missile could shoot 200km and amraam shoot 180, it didn’t matter because you couldn’t get a usable lock until much closer, but the f22 could from much further. That’s the whole point of stealth and its relation to BVR. Just the same as the f35 can use to make use of late detection against ground radars and make use of the news HARMS on activated radars before said radars can get a usable lock.
I don’t get how you say stealth isn’t an argument, it’s literally the argument and has been for at least 20 years and why the U.S. has dominated the skies with the f22.
I must be misunderstanding you because saying stealth isn’t an argument is a fools errand.
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Tell me you cant read without telling me you cant read…
So you don’t have an argument, got it.
You said US missiles aren’t good because they don’t have missiles with the longest range. I said longer range just means longer range, it doesn’t mean a better missile. You saying longer range doesn’t mean a missile is better, it just means it has a longer range.
We didn’t need longer range missiles because in a bvr environment there was nothing to necessitate development of further range missiles.just refine what was already in place. The planes all over the world couldn’t detect f22 for any meaningful distance that the amraam we currently had was already perfectly suited for. There was no need for a longer range missile.
Thankfully, you guys off the backs of our program have a stealth jet. It can carry a meteor, it still doesn’t mean it’s a better missile because it has longer range. It may be a better missile, having longer range doesn’t mean that.
Why didn’t the U.S. have longer range, because we didn’t need it, the battlefield is changing and necessitated the development of aim260 and aim174.
As well as MAKO and a few others.
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No, I have an argument, you’re just can’t read. You assume every jet we have is a stealth fighter, which even majority aren’t, many fourth gens still benefit from longer range missiles too. Even if they were all stealth, stealth jets still benefit from longer range missiles. Longer range missiles contribute to missile being better, especially when the gap is very high between you and your enemy. The US has been trying to develop a new missile for a while, it isn’t some sort of not doing it out of no need to…
IMHO the worse radar on soviet planes are pretty accurate. But the R77 still needs fixing on it’s drag.
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Also, no, it’s not a straw man argument, I’m just being real with you, you’re mentioning the lack of need for a longer range missile by citing stealth jets, which the only conclusion that can be made is you think majority of what we are using is stealth jets. We have plenty of fourth gens too, you wouldn’t just forgo missile range unless majority had the stealth to close the gap.
Also, this is getting wildly off topic.
The power disparity between USA and everyone else wouldn’t be as big of an issue if Gaijin would just stop crushing their hands with extreme handholding by giving them huge upgrades with each update. The F-15Es have been clubbing matches so hard that I think solid arguments can be made that they should be banished to 14.3
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