No relation to current topic at all
The Mig-21Bis is not top tier, which is the focus of the post.
Having longer range missiles doesn’t mean a better missile, it just means it has a longer range. Since countries are building gen 5 planes which we’ve had for nearly 30 years. Our missiles didn’t need to strike as far because the gap in performance before detection was so great.
Plus, normally your big long range a2a missiles aren’t for jets, they’re for awacs. To get rid of the eyes in the sky.
And just looked this up and I was wrong lmfao. I was always under the impression these missiles we’re for the awacs.
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Having longer range can mean a better missile in many cases, and they can hit fighters, not just AWACS. And the whole stealth thing isn’t even an argument because not every jet we use is a stealth jet, and stealth jets also benefit from longer range missiles, I mean, UK F-35’s can carry the Meteor.
Stealth is completely an argument and the argument. That was the whole purpose of them. I assume we’re talking about IRL not the game, because in game I have no idea, but in reality, stealth was everything and now it’s still important but IRST is closing the gap.
Your missile could shoot 200km and amraam shoot 180, it didn’t matter because you couldn’t get a usable lock until much closer, but the f22 could from much further. That’s the whole point of stealth and its relation to BVR. Just the same as the f35 can use to make use of late detection against ground radars and make use of the news HARMS on activated radars before said radars can get a usable lock.
I don’t get how you say stealth isn’t an argument, it’s literally the argument and has been for at least 20 years and why the U.S. has dominated the skies with the f22.
I must be misunderstanding you because saying stealth isn’t an argument is a fools errand.
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Tell me you cant read without telling me you cant read…
So you don’t have an argument, got it.
You said US missiles aren’t good because they don’t have missiles with the longest range. I said longer range just means longer range, it doesn’t mean a better missile. You saying longer range doesn’t mean a missile is better, it just means it has a longer range.
We didn’t need longer range missiles because in a bvr environment there was nothing to necessitate development of further range missiles.just refine what was already in place. The planes all over the world couldn’t detect f22 for any meaningful distance that the amraam we currently had was already perfectly suited for. There was no need for a longer range missile.
Thankfully, you guys off the backs of our program have a stealth jet. It can carry a meteor, it still doesn’t mean it’s a better missile because it has longer range. It may be a better missile, having longer range doesn’t mean that.
Why didn’t the U.S. have longer range, because we didn’t need it, the battlefield is changing and necessitated the development of aim260 and aim174.
As well as MAKO and a few others.
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No, I have an argument, you’re just can’t read. You assume every jet we have is a stealth fighter, which even majority aren’t, many fourth gens still benefit from longer range missiles too. Even if they were all stealth, stealth jets still benefit from longer range missiles. Longer range missiles contribute to missile being better, especially when the gap is very high between you and your enemy. The US has been trying to develop a new missile for a while, it isn’t some sort of not doing it out of no need to…
IMHO the worse radar on soviet planes are pretty accurate. But the R77 still needs fixing on it’s drag.
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Also, no, it’s not a straw man argument, I’m just being real with you, you’re mentioning the lack of need for a longer range missile by citing stealth jets, which the only conclusion that can be made is you think majority of what we are using is stealth jets. We have plenty of fourth gens too, you wouldn’t just forgo missile range unless majority had the stealth to close the gap.
Also, this is getting wildly off topic.
The power disparity between USA and everyone else wouldn’t be as big of an issue if Gaijin would just stop crushing their hands with extreme handholding by giving them huge upgrades with each update. The F-15Es have been clubbing matches so hard that I think solid arguments can be made that they should be banished to 14.3
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It should be higher, being the same br as the F-15C is just so dumb.
I don’t have it yet, but if it’s that good then yeah sure. That is how it should be.
Just like leo2’s should be their own BR.
Anyone arguing in favor of keeping OP vehicles in a BR it doesn’t belong just wants to seal club.
The F-15C was already hands down the best plane in the game at BR 13.7 and the F-15E just eclipses it entirely. You could make an argument that the F-15C vs anyone else already wasn’t fair but this is just gross right now. I’m going to exploit it to spade mine but this needs to change fast.
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I thought the J was the best one? The people I watch on YouTube who are the best in air prefer the J(JM? I can’t remember which letter).
The E is basically just a C but it never loses energy, it’s just a ridiculous addition imo.
Some people said it’s the best due to the AAM-4, which has better performance than the Aim-120 in closer ranges, and you can carry both. Although idk if it’s considered the best still
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It can pull more g’s right?
I love Japan, and I like having a full lineup in my U.S., but I’m really not looking forward to grinding another air tree with only 1 premium to help grind it. So I won’t have that plane for a long time prob.
That was before the most recent update. The J one was arguably better than the C by a marginal degree. Mostly due to AAM3s being slightly better AIM-9Ms and AAM4’s arguably being better than the AIM-120 within niche situations, and it had the option to carry both AIM120s and AAM4 so you could mix and match or just run your favorite. The F-15E and the new israeli one grossly eclipse the J. They never should have given the plane that 229 engine. Huge balance mistake. They slightly nerfed the engines earlier this week, but before that they were maintaining mach 2 speeds in 9G turns and now they’re still comfortably above mach 1 in the same extreme turns.