But what will you do if they defeat it ? Considering we are talking about 10km~ , meaning enemy could close the gap extremely fast. You gonna turn and roll with them in a Su27SM ? I mean sure , with it you can do somewhat against enemy jet as long as it is anything beside the Su27SM and the SMT and the player know what he doing. But with a SMT ? Especially with that piece of garbo ? You gonna die , there is no way to sugarcoat it
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Skill issue
Again, skill issue. You have a SARH that is basically twice as fast as most of Fox 3s and have even more booster fuel to burn.
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And no suprises, as China has arguably invested more on its air force and bumped their own knowledge based on reverse engineering most if not all things bought from Russia.
Most of you guys complain about Russia being purposedly handicaped, but what holds up in the future isn’t that much brighter, even on its full capabilities. In that way, it’s damn similar to what the US is dealing with on ground battles.
Please tell me how it is skill issue to miss a missile on someone who can drop theirs and notch while you have to guide yours ? Speed has absolutely nothing to do with it. One player need to stay agressive, the other has their missiles going active at 20km. 20km is more than enough to notch.
Also, the 27ER speed is only significantly higher at closer range. They get to the target barely a second or two before the Aim120 at long range. Combined with the soviet radar, it’s highly likely theses few seconds are compensated by earlier launch time on the US planes. And at close range, the R77 is a better missile because, again, it’s ARH.
You barely played soviets in the current top tier matchmaking, it’s not like you know what you are talking about lmao. Please try to get good at the game first instead of abusing easy mode US all the time.
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Nah, i’ve been grinding the Su-27SM, and i can assure you, if you can’t joust with the R27ER, it’s a significant skill issue.
Play AROUND it’s main advantages (kinetically unavoidable, fastest missile in the game at medium ranges), and NOT around as a main competition to ARH.
For 20km launch, the ET is far better in 99% use case. No warning besides the launch smoke. No diamond past ~10km. R27ER is immediately notched by any player at mid-range (unless they are stupid), and R-77 is much better at close <20km because you can HMD, launch off-bore and go back to notching.
Ironically i tested this claim and turns out you cant just notch R27ER’s like you notch Fox-3’s due to having solid lock on enemy target, not to mention even if they do that datalink and iog will still there to for you to guide the missile while reacquire the target.
Im gonna test this with Su-34’s radar to see how much will be more effective than Su-27, dont get me wrong i still believe Fox-3 missiles holds the edge but R27ER’s are not as easy to defeat as you claim.
All Fox 1 are harder to defeat than Fox 3, but you can still notch the missile even if the lock holds.
Against the ER you need to drop more chaff and do the same thing as against Fox 3 (changing altitude) to also defeat the IOG.
The notch gate is smaller, but if you know where the missile comes from it’s really not that hard.
The advantage of the R-77 is that it’s still quite agile even compared to the ER at close range, and don’t need active guidance. You do lose reliability in guidance as they are easier to notch for sure.
Bro your take on this is so entirely disengenuous and you know it.
If you “joust” an ARH with a SARH, you die. By the time you guide the missile to the target, that ARH is unavoidable. That is, if you can even get your missile there at all.
Say you fire the ER at 10KM, and the AMRAAM carrier fires at the same time and goes cold. You still have to fly head on into him, and thus his missile, to guide yours. He’s already going perpendicular to you, thus your closing speed is gone. He hits you before your missile even reaches him.
Why lie like this?
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No its not, only R27ER are harder than Fox-3’s, other Fox-1’S doesnt require the same effort R27ER does.
You seriously didnt explained to me how to notch Fox-1, did you :)
Again, you’re talking to someone that has much more experience with Fox-3/1 missiles,these explanation is pointless.
“Russian bias” is dogma. Any and all mental gymnastics will be taken to preserve the statement.
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The seeker of all fox 3 missile is nerfed compared to every fox 1, they have a larger notch gate. In difficulty it’s ER > other fox 1 > Fox 3.
You know they’re running out of arguments when they’re using a SARH to argue that the R77 being weak is balanced.
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Tell me something i dont know please, so far you didnt do that.
As the alledged american superiority prior to the ARH introduction, forgetting that the R-27ER was singlehandedly the reason Russia controlled most of BVR encounters.
This thing of supposedly being disengenuous is nothing new to air discussion in this forum.
Not if you manage to fire the R-27ER first. If you manage to position yourself in a significant advantage, your missile will connect regardless of what your opponent does, from launching a fox-3 to going defensive. If y’all can’t get that singlehanded point, then it’s a substantial skill issue.
You’re playing with a slight technological disadvantage, yet you’re still proposing an equal-to-equal situation. That’s again, a inherent skill issue. I’m telling this for the last time: Play around the missile strengh (having an absurd booster and capable to reach absurds amounts of speed), not by playing as another ARH slinger, you’ll find way less frustration and inferiority complex by doing so. You don’t like it? Cope, or grind the US tree.
I’m not lying by any means. Don’t treat the USSR tech tree like it has been mistreated for the longest time, as it clearly has been handheld in the missile department for quite a good while up until ARH missiles, where clearly still has a strong point in the medium to close quarters slingling.
And obviously Armchair will agree with you, he’s brainwashed into believing that the R-27ERs were and still are alledgely close to useless, and the BVR meta prior to ARH missiles were not the R-27ER slinging, but the freaking anemic AIM-54s before march’s buff.
There was no BVR meta when multipathing was 100m. It was a fox2 meta.
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And there it is, thank you for gently proving my point.
So how do you “play around the absurd booster and amount of speed” ? You didn’t offer once a single practical use besides “skill issue”.
You are not contributing to the thread, just claiming things that I’ve yet to see being translated to real gameplay. What do you exactly means by this. What range are you talking about ? What aspect ? What situation ?
I’m playing with the SMT a lot these past few days. The optimal loadout is full R77 and 1/2 ET. ER isn’t relevant to today’s top tier meta. Unless you’re counting on your opponent not doing anything to dodge it, in which case the R77 is its equal. I’m doing pretty well with the SMT too. Currently 130/68 KDR with 57% winrate. It’s a lot better since they upgraded the HMD to 20km, it was barely useable before. The F15C is a much better plane by a landslide tho.
I’m not saying the ER is bad. It’s the best SARH in the game. It’s still a SARH and is way less useful in general than a FnF missile is all I’m saying. The best use I found for it was in full downtier in 12.3-13.3 matches because I can sling one ER at the first target I see, then go back to full R-77 as the team merges.
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The only point is that you have a bad memory and have forgotten that the Grippen was the god king of the previous meta. It was the best because of its 9Ms, infinite flares, and that it had the best FM for knife fights. Radar missile quality was not what defined a meta aircraft before multipathing height was halved.
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Fakour 90 is easily superior to R-27ER, and Fakour 90 is worse than other ARHs.