You manage to see something with TWS at 40km ? I pretty much exclusively use the PD/TWS HDN on both Su27 and Mig29SMT unless the target is within HMD range.
Yes, TWS works well within ~40km.
Skill issue. R77 is an amazing missile, its three times better at close range then 120. I also like how you forgot to mention 2x quantity of missiles on su27 compared to f16.
And btw, how comes you have better stats on r77 carriers then on amraam carriers?
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k.
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Why do you compare F-16 to Su-27? Compare F-15 to Su-27, because they are both twin-engine heavy fighters… Even though yes, R-77 is more maneuverable than AIM-120 at close range, the AIM-120 far outperforms the R-77 in terms of range which is arguably more important in top-tier right now.
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Yeah and F16/F15 have way way better FM compare to their russian counterpart. Nothing to redeem those jet even the 27ER, R73 doesn’t help
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I do compare them because both of them are fighters.
I can easly say that: “Even though yes, AIM-120 has more energy than R-77 at long range, the R-77 far outperforms the AIM-120 in terms of merge fight which is arguably more important in top-tier right now”.
If you still dying to 20-30km launches of amraam, you probably will die to r-77 launched from the same distance. I rather have better 10km missile with amazing turning capabilities then aim-120 vs a skilled player.
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Can confirm. I have better luck flying the Yak-141 in 13.7 than the MiG-29 and SU-27. The flight performance makes a huge difference. You might as well sling your R-77’s and RTB in the SU-27 or MiG-29.
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In a BVR environment, how is that useful?
The meta is flying stupid high, clicking a button, clicking another button to fire your ARM, rinse and repeat like a brainlet, and flying back to base with free kills to rearm. The F15 cancer gameplay loop is the meta.
Close-in performance is not nearly as valuable if you’re defending the whole time trying to get into firing range.
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But what will you do if they defeat it ? Considering we are talking about 10km~ , meaning enemy could close the gap extremely fast. You gonna turn and roll with them in a Su27SM ? I mean sure , with it you can do somewhat against enemy jet as long as it is anything beside the Su27SM and the SMT and the player know what he doing. But with a SMT ? Especially with that piece of garbo ? You gonna die , there is no way to sugarcoat it
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Skill issue
Again, skill issue. You have a SARH that is basically twice as fast as most of Fox 3s and have even more booster fuel to burn.
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And no suprises, as China has arguably invested more on its air force and bumped their own knowledge based on reverse engineering most if not all things bought from Russia.
Most of you guys complain about Russia being purposedly handicaped, but what holds up in the future isn’t that much brighter, even on its full capabilities. In that way, it’s damn similar to what the US is dealing with on ground battles.
Please tell me how it is skill issue to miss a missile on someone who can drop theirs and notch while you have to guide yours ? Speed has absolutely nothing to do with it. One player need to stay agressive, the other has their missiles going active at 20km. 20km is more than enough to notch.
Also, the 27ER speed is only significantly higher at closer range. They get to the target barely a second or two before the Aim120 at long range. Combined with the soviet radar, it’s highly likely theses few seconds are compensated by earlier launch time on the US planes. And at close range, the R77 is a better missile because, again, it’s ARH.
You barely played soviets in the current top tier matchmaking, it’s not like you know what you are talking about lmao. Please try to get good at the game first instead of abusing easy mode US all the time.
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Nah, i’ve been grinding the Su-27SM, and i can assure you, if you can’t joust with the R27ER, it’s a significant skill issue.
Play AROUND it’s main advantages (kinetically unavoidable, fastest missile in the game at medium ranges), and NOT around as a main competition to ARH.
For 20km launch, the ET is far better in 99% use case. No warning besides the launch smoke. No diamond past ~10km. R27ER is immediately notched by any player at mid-range (unless they are stupid), and R-77 is much better at close <20km because you can HMD, launch off-bore and go back to notching.
Ironically i tested this claim and turns out you cant just notch R27ER’s like you notch Fox-3’s due to having solid lock on enemy target, not to mention even if they do that datalink and iog will still there to for you to guide the missile while reacquire the target.
Im gonna test this with Su-34’s radar to see how much will be more effective than Su-27, dont get me wrong i still believe Fox-3 missiles holds the edge but R27ER’s are not as easy to defeat as you claim.
All Fox 1 are harder to defeat than Fox 3, but you can still notch the missile even if the lock holds.
Against the ER you need to drop more chaff and do the same thing as against Fox 3 (changing altitude) to also defeat the IOG.
The notch gate is smaller, but if you know where the missile comes from it’s really not that hard.
The advantage of the R-77 is that it’s still quite agile even compared to the ER at close range, and don’t need active guidance. You do lose reliability in guidance as they are easier to notch for sure.
Bro your take on this is so entirely disengenuous and you know it.
If you “joust” an ARH with a SARH, you die. By the time you guide the missile to the target, that ARH is unavoidable. That is, if you can even get your missile there at all.
Say you fire the ER at 10KM, and the AMRAAM carrier fires at the same time and goes cold. You still have to fly head on into him, and thus his missile, to guide yours. He’s already going perpendicular to you, thus your closing speed is gone. He hits you before your missile even reaches him.
Why lie like this?
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No its not, only R27ER are harder than Fox-3’s, other Fox-1’S doesnt require the same effort R27ER does.
You seriously didnt explained to me how to notch Fox-1, did you :)
Again, you’re talking to someone that has much more experience with Fox-3/1 missiles,these explanation is pointless.
“Russian bias” is dogma. Any and all mental gymnastics will be taken to preserve the statement.
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