There were efforts to emulate Russian maneuverability. When the Flanker was revealed, the US tried to match its AoA performance and instantaneous turn rate. No US fighter could really match the Flanker in those regards so they modified an F-16; increased the size of its horizontal stab, and made FCS adjustments. Here are the results:
I believe they implemented these upgrades into the F-16 block 15
Pretty sure there’s a video where one of the pilots talks about it and says the f35 can still dogfight an f16. It just would never do that, it would play against its strengths
Can, but it wouldn’t, because it’s noticeably worse in terms of flight performance
I like how MiG-29 has 20 dps at 1 kilometer with racks no arm. But F-16 is 21.6 dps clean and suddenly, wow it can 2 circle a MiG-29.
Su-27 at 20-22 dps at 200 armed.
The MiG-29 chart with full racks has 90.7% of the clean F-16C’s (at 25% internal) SEP, but it’s ooh they can only 1 circle. It’s, almost as if the MiG-29 has the F-16C b50/52’s STR what a mystery.
Throwing my hat in the ring as a newer top tier player. From my experience the base Su-27 feels fine, great even, primarily due to that fact that its bracket is filled with F-4 ground pounders and its ability to carry 6 of the best fox 1s in game. I haven’t gotten my hands on the mig-29 so I can’t speak to their performance but the Su-27sm definitely needs a little love. My main gripe with the Su-27sm is when you’re forced defensive by fox 3s you lose all speed, and unless you get bailed out by a teammate or they lose interest, you’re gonna eat an AIM120. With better energy retention you could stay defensive longer and actually have energy to get nose on for some offence. Maybe a better fox 3 is needed for Russia but I think a flight model change would be a good start, and if it makes the base Su-27 too strong maybe take away 2 27ERs or bump it up .3 BR. Balanced top tier would be good for gaijin too, people would have a reason to grind other tech trees(buy premiums) and players won’t burn out as fast.
I ridiculed you because your statement makes no sense. The chinese flankers are better than the Russian ones in some aspects, however your wording was as if we were to throw up our arms and go play China when we want Russian aircraft. I perfectly enjoy PLAAF aircraft and I look forward to seeing much more variants of flanker ingame, but when you phrase it as such that we are simply to not bother with Russia when they provide unique oppurtunity is blatantly misguiding.
Don’t come crying when our J-15/J-16s blow anything you receive out the water
I will be enjoying them with you )))) Does China have any analogue to R-37M?
The PL-17 is china’s ‘AWACS’ hunter although trades a bit more range for a loss in speed compared to the R-37M, in a sleeker chassis so will be relatively comparable
Better maneuverability(not even true in all cases) you mean. Definetly not overalp flight perfomance. Inefficent engines + big ass airframe.
They have a few actually, in general chinese aircraft use pretty big fox 3s as their standard. Even their basic pl15 is Significantly bigger than an amraam
Su-27 accelerates better than all US aircraft. Maybe the Americans should have made more efficient engines.
I mean you can cope all you want. Accelarstion has fuck all to do with efficency. If you genuinely think russian engines are more efficent than western enginees than boy do i have a bridge to sell you.
The su27 has more poweful engines, that has nothing to do with its efficency, as i said a lot already the su27 with a proper flightmodel wouldnt be better than the competition. As irl it wasnt, it had pros and con and purely from a flight perfomace perspective in a vacuum was nothing special. And its a big aircraft with big powerfull russian engines.
So an engine with almost twice the bypass ratio should be less efficient, in your opinion?
You can’t be for real about having the worst missiles when the R-27ER still exists and it’s fully functional.
R27ER are completely useless against any Fox3 player who has two braincells. Especially combined with the trash radar of the Su27. Good luck guiding your missile while the opponent can throw theirs and immediately dip away. I take the R-77 over it anytime in top tier matchmaking, even on the SMT.
R27ET are great for long range stealth kill meanwhile, they’re far more valuable than the ER at top tier. I unironically think the Su-34 is the best soviet fighter with the update because it can go 6x ET + 2 R77 + 2 R73.
Yep, I looked at the loadouts in game. 6 ET are interchangeable with R77 and R73, and there’s wingtips R73 and two center pylon R77 as well. You can also go 8 R77 + 2 R73, or 4/4 ET/77 too.
The biggest issue of the Su34 is the lack of HMD. But with a solid radar I feel like it’s not too much of a problem, especially to lob long range ET.
Yeah and they are not undefeatable. In this ARAAM slinging meta , ER are pretty damn mid. There is nothing much to redeem the Su27 and the SMT. Especially the SMT and like other claimed , if you know how to defeat them then there nothing to be afraid about the russian jet. As of now , there no reason to play russian top tier unless you grinding for the new shiny stuff. Beside that other nation offer more than just le ER slinger that are way better. Might as well china cause their top tier is actually way better than the russian
Ax, what radar mode do you use for these long-range ET snipes?
TWS if I know my target is within 40km. TWS HDN for longer ranges. If the target is within like 25km or so, I use IRST which can be iffy but its worth the stealth tracking.