Better maneuverability(not even true in all cases) you mean. Definetly not overalp flight perfomance. Inefficent engines + big ass airframe.
They have a few actually, in general chinese aircraft use pretty big fox 3s as their standard. Even their basic pl15 is Significantly bigger than an amraam
Su-27 accelerates better than all US aircraft. Maybe the Americans should have made more efficient engines.
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I mean you can cope all you want. Accelarstion has fuck all to do with efficency. If you genuinely think russian engines are more efficent than western enginees than boy do i have a bridge to sell you.
The su27 has more poweful engines, that has nothing to do with its efficency, as i said a lot already the su27 with a proper flightmodel wouldnt be better than the competition. As irl it wasnt, it had pros and con and purely from a flight perfomace perspective in a vacuum was nothing special. And its a big aircraft with big powerfull russian engines.
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So an engine with almost twice the bypass ratio should be less efficient, in your opinion?
You can’t be for real about having the worst missiles when the R-27ER still exists and it’s fully functional.
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R27ER are completely useless against any Fox3 player who has two braincells. Especially combined with the trash radar of the Su27. Good luck guiding your missile while the opponent can throw theirs and immediately dip away. I take the R-77 over it anytime in top tier matchmaking, even on the SMT.
R27ET are great for long range stealth kill meanwhile, they’re far more valuable than the ER at top tier. I unironically think the Su-34 is the best soviet fighter with the update because it can go 6x ET + 2 R77 + 2 R73.
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Yep, I looked at the loadouts in game. 6 ET are interchangeable with R77 and R73, and there’s wingtips R73 and two center pylon R77 as well. You can also go 8 R77 + 2 R73, or 4/4 ET/77 too.
The biggest issue of the Su34 is the lack of HMD. But with a solid radar I feel like it’s not too much of a problem, especially to lob long range ET.
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Yeah and they are not undefeatable. In this ARAAM slinging meta , ER are pretty damn mid. There is nothing much to redeem the Su27 and the SMT. Especially the SMT and like other claimed , if you know how to defeat them then there nothing to be afraid about the russian jet. As of now , there no reason to play russian top tier unless you grinding for the new shiny stuff. Beside that other nation offer more than just le ER slinger that are way better. Might as well china cause their top tier is actually way better than the russian
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Ax, what radar mode do you use for these long-range ET snipes?
TWS if I know my target is within 40km. TWS HDN for longer ranges. If the target is within like 25km or so, I use IRST which can be iffy but its worth the stealth tracking.
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You manage to see something with TWS at 40km ? I pretty much exclusively use the PD/TWS HDN on both Su27 and Mig29SMT unless the target is within HMD range.
Yes, TWS works well within ~40km.
Skill issue. R77 is an amazing missile, its three times better at close range then 120. I also like how you forgot to mention 2x quantity of missiles on su27 compared to f16.
And btw, how comes you have better stats on r77 carriers then on amraam carriers?
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Why do you compare F-16 to Su-27? Compare F-15 to Su-27, because they are both twin-engine heavy fighters… Even though yes, R-77 is more maneuverable than AIM-120 at close range, the AIM-120 far outperforms the R-77 in terms of range which is arguably more important in top-tier right now.
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Yeah and F16/F15 have way way better FM compare to their russian counterpart. Nothing to redeem those jet even the 27ER, R73 doesn’t help
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I do compare them because both of them are fighters.
I can easly say that: “Even though yes, AIM-120 has more energy than R-77 at long range, the R-77 far outperforms the AIM-120 in terms of merge fight which is arguably more important in top-tier right now”.
If you still dying to 20-30km launches of amraam, you probably will die to r-77 launched from the same distance. I rather have better 10km missile with amazing turning capabilities then aim-120 vs a skilled player.
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Can confirm. I have better luck flying the Yak-141 in 13.7 than the MiG-29 and SU-27. The flight performance makes a huge difference. You might as well sling your R-77’s and RTB in the SU-27 or MiG-29.
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In a BVR environment, how is that useful?
The meta is flying stupid high, clicking a button, clicking another button to fire your ARM, rinse and repeat like a brainlet, and flying back to base with free kills to rearm. The F15 cancer gameplay loop is the meta.
Close-in performance is not nearly as valuable if you’re defending the whole time trying to get into firing range.
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