Wouldn’t matter regardless…
Gaijin could just add better Russian aircraft to compete until Russia runs out of Flankers. In fact, we could get newer Flankers/Fulcrums right now and it wouldn’t be OP, I just don’t know why Gaijin is hesitating.
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We see.
Those with Bars like early (EARLY) Su-30s could work well. Give it a couple months though.
That doesn’t even mean to completely forget Russia. Again, we see how they perform, we’re not fortune tellers here.
You’re acting like this is irl or Gaijin has modeled things close to how they are irl. It’s a game with a lot of fiction in it, all Gaijin has to do is just balance it, this isn’t some unsolvable equation.
The su-30 wouldn’t even be a real upgrade over the 27SM they should just jump straight to the Su-35 with irbis-E
Ideally we would get 27SM2 or the such, right now 27SM is basically the most modern flanker you can expect for a bit.
Is the SU-27’s fm underperforming I’m seeing mixed opinions here?
Its underperforming along with the mig-29 because of legacy balance both airframes have significantly more drag than they should, you can blame this on gaijins poor balancing from when they first added the russian 4th gens and tried to make them the BVR trucks while the F-16 was initially added as the dogfighting equivalent. Then when the US and everyone else got better BVR capabilities than anything the the migs and flankers have they weren’t just relegated to being poor dogfighters but also poor missile Slingers as well since they have the worst missiles paired with the worst radars at toptier.
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The poor flight models right now are the leftovers of balancing top tier from several years ago basically.
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would reversing the nerfs still affect lower tiers?
In my opinion, not that much, since the Mig-29 (9-13) and Su-27S already have competition at the same br that would be more than capable of dealing with them, even with better flight models. Like the F-16A for the Mig-29, or the F-15A for the Su-27.
Depends on the Su-30. There are Su-30s with improved radar or PESA radar. Some also get TVC and Canards.
Also Bars radar is only “marginally less capable” than the Ibris-E.
Not a lot of evidence proving the existence of the SM2
I mean there’s the Su-27SM3 which is a very marginal upgrade from the Su-27SM. Slightly better engines and 2 more missile pylons. Or we could just get Su-30s, they won’t be game breaking.
Its 100% underperforming, there is no debate.
As of right now the F-15A is no competition against the Su-27S. The Su-27S is just straight up a better aircraft even at the same BR, giving it a better FM could warrant a BR increase.
Fine by me, I’d much rather see the Su-27 get justice for it’s flight model, the Su-27S might bite the bullet but all future Flankers won’t be hindered by a gimped flight model.
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The SU 27sm3 has a different radar. And we need SU 27M and MIG29M, J-11B
Su-30Sm heavily disagrees with you.
It doesnt, the only real differences between SM and SM3 are the engines.
Right, so what would be the Flanker’s peers in the new BRs you propose?
The “+0.3 or+0.7 to F-15C” peer.