Mind you, I only touched radar missiles, for IR missiles, they’ll be fine honestly, there’s more R-73 variants and stuff, R-74’s, etc.
Yeah the R-77-1 as it is right now in the files wouldn’t be too bad.
Or they could just give Russia better aircraft. I mean the MiG-29M exist; 8 missile pylons, improved engines, improved airframe, zhuk radar.
Or the Su-30SM; improved radar/irst, TVC, canards, 12 pylons.
Both of these fighters dont have PESA radar as well so they won’t be getting PESA/AESA before anyone else.
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?? Russian air in game is not being “propped up”
All of this is nonsense… you are saying this as if the balance in game is somehow tied to year of release when it isn’t. It also assumes gaijin is perfect in their representation of ussr/russian aircraft and that they can’t be buffed…
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R77 is what I meant, it’s just too many r- missiles for me to remember what is what lol.
I understand though, thank you
There’s this little concept called the battle rating system. Planes of equivalent capabilities are supposed to have the same BR, and superior ones are supposed to have higher BRs. Gaijin needs to stop pretending that the 27SM is an equal to the F-15C and up the superior american plane’s BR.
What is a hypothetical equal to the Su27 though
A specific peer to the Flanker isn’t necessary to increment the F-15’s BR. It’s blatantly obvious that they’re not equals, and the flanker can’t go down since it wouldn’t be fair for flankers to club phantoms and tornadoes with fox3s, so the only remaining option is for the blatantly superior american birds to go further up.
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China… Literally has the Russian export flankers with indigenous missiles and tech? The only “advantage” I could think of is the AESA sets. Even then Bars and Irbis are perfectly capable sets. I don’t even know what your thought process was posting this.
Come on, it’s widely known and regarded the the PLAAF and PLANAF have the best flankers in the world, especially since the Zhuhai airshow has demonstrated the new J-15T, which only furthers the gap between the current best Russian flankers;
Furthermore, China ordered an amount of Su-35S fighters to compare the effectiveness of the design and consider ordering more if they deserved merit, however various aspects of the Su-35S disappointed the PLAAF officers and pilots, who judged that it was sufficiently worse than Chinese counterparts to order more, now one hand this was down to lacklustre radar performance compared to Chinese AESA sets and rated lower in ECM and Avionic technology.
On the other, the only place where the Su-35S merits over the J-16 it was compared to was the capability of TVC engines, which are being worked on in the latest generation of WS-10s anyway,
Overall you simply cannot say the Russia has the best flankers now, they fell behind around the time that the first J-16s were finished and are now sufficiently behind to the extent that it’s not really a competition anymore.
When they are added to the game and forced to compete with the Eurofighter and Rafale, don’t come crying to these threads please 🙏
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We’ll see if Gaijin models them as massive airbrakes and come back later.
Wouldn’t matter regardless…
Gaijin could just add better Russian aircraft to compete until Russia runs out of Flankers. In fact, we could get newer Flankers/Fulcrums right now and it wouldn’t be OP, I just don’t know why Gaijin is hesitating.
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We see.
Those with Bars like early (EARLY) Su-30s could work well. Give it a couple months though.
That doesn’t even mean to completely forget Russia. Again, we see how they perform, we’re not fortune tellers here.
You’re acting like this is irl or Gaijin has modeled things close to how they are irl. It’s a game with a lot of fiction in it, all Gaijin has to do is just balance it, this isn’t some unsolvable equation.
The su-30 wouldn’t even be a real upgrade over the 27SM they should just jump straight to the Su-35 with irbis-E
Ideally we would get 27SM2 or the such, right now 27SM is basically the most modern flanker you can expect for a bit.