Yeah, nevermind, the dude has no say here.
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Because the whole point of the thread is to discuss if Russian fighters are worse, and their armament impacts how good they are?
Yes and the 9M beats out the R-73 in every category that matters
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Real.
Having better maneuverability? No, it doesn’t.
bro never got the opportunity to play with soviet radars, have fun using a SARH when your radar refuses to lock onto something from 3-5km even in ACM. That’s why the range of the 9M + its IRCCM is better in most cases, not to mention the smokeless motor. The R-73 is only really better if you’re doing under 2km merges but at that point it’s a hypothetical you survived the AMRAAM spam.
At that point you have to pray to whatever god you know the enemy doesn’t rub two braincells together and pre-flares making the R-73 useless and then decided to run rings around you with their superior FM
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Oh so are you gonna say SRAAMs are better than R-13M1s because it pulls harder? The best missile youve used is an Aim-9E so pipe down and stop speaking until youve used an Aim-9M and R-73 and seen how bad the R-73 is
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Yes? If you want something for non-dogfighting ranges use a SARH.
Before the introduction of the Fox-3s, Russia arguably had the strongest fighters with the R-73s and R-27ERs. Even today they are extremely strong in sub-10km engagements. I have the SU-27 and its been a joy to fly.
Wow you’re actually delusional
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Not sure how you consider the SMT being part of the strongest fighters
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Russian planes are the most OP because of Russian bias! U.S. planes are all super weak because gaijin hates America, nobody can prove this logic wrong.
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thats a lot of battles jesus
Is Pl-12 the best rocket? Don’t make my horseshoes laugh. The rocket is average in all characteristics, with a not very long launch range. And the j10a has problems with air resistance at high speeds (worse than the Mig 21bis), it accelerates very slowly at altitude. The same new F15E quietly gains Mach 2, in 25 seconds, on the J10A I did not see speeds above mach 1.5-1.7 (at any heights). Therefore, they are also strongly limited by the carrier. In general, they should be almost like AIM120C5, and in the game they are even worse than AIM120A. Well, or vice versa, AIM120A in the game according to the characteristics of AIM120C. The aim120 definitely has the first place, I hear that rockets R-Darter and Derby are very strong. I think they will be a little better than the PL-12. And only then about PL-12.
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Serious question, why do you guys keep flying into the fur ball and complain about the amraam spam? It’s just all spam. Most of my battles in ARB are not me dying from the furball. I still die, I suck at planes in ARB. My getting close to 1:1 is because I use them GRB and rack up kills(just to get smoked again in ARB when I play lol)
… but I almost never die from amraam spam and there is certainly other US planes in the mix against me. Why do you fly into the big mix and continue to die an expect anything different? In fact I think most of my deaths are from IR missiles up close because notching is pretty easy and it’s just my shot ability to fly in my f15 where everyone ruins me with IR up close on the edges.
I’m not very good in air, but I still normally only die 1-2:1. I can normally notch the missiles just fine. Normally about 1-3 different missiles early on and then I get into the fight on the edges.
I have yet to experience this amraam spam because I don’t run into the furball.
As well, people pre-flare my 9ms all the time when I used them. Now it’s just full aim loadout for me except 1 9m and it gets pre-flared all the time and I have to keep working for the lock.
My argument isn’t against Soviet airframes getting buffed, I don’t fly them and I have no idea… simply this problem with “amraam spam” that seemingly you do nothing to correct by flying into the furball.
I have to notch plenty of missiles every game whenever I play ARB(which is more rare these days), but the struggles are still the same since I’m playing against US planes just like you.
Pl-12 has the 3rd best range behind the AMRAAM and AAM-4 (AAM-4 and Pl-12 are very close). Its also the 3rd best in maneuverability just behind the R-77 which makes it a versatile missile for close and long range.
AMRAAM for sure has the longest range but is also the worst in maneuverability only made worse with its 0.6s guidance delay (other ARH have 0.3s).
I rank Pl-12 the highest because top tier is once again in a furball/close range meta because of the addition of the radar altimeter. Rarely do I see long range kills anymore. This makes maneuverability a bit more important almost like range and the Pl-12 has both.
I never talked about the J-10. This doesn’t concern me.
You don’t actually need to get hit by the missile for the missile to be impactful. For example, I’ve got an anecdotal story of a time that I managed to win a 4v1 with my spamraam harrier even though every single spamraam missed. What would have been four players dogpiling me turned into four players going evasive before they could comfortably get within range to shoot back. Of the four, two mirages crashed either in a failed attempt to multipath or a deliberate suicide to deny the kill out of spite. I was able to get on an F-4’s tail and kill him with guns. That left me with the freedom to duel the remaining mig-21 and eventually get on his tail with viffing tricks for another gun kill. Being able to realistically threaten opponents from ranges that they cannot match is a tremendous advantage even if the missiles miss.
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I don’t understand how in this scenario Russia couldn’t do the same thing. The missile May not be as good(idk I’ll take their word for it, I’m not so into the game to know specs like that, I just play a lot), but this scenario could completely be used with an r73 right? It can go pit bull and do the same job of putting someone defensive to allow you to make your moves.
I’ll assume you were in ranges to use guns, so automatically they’d go pitbull, right? Radar or no radar, the missile is doing the work now, right?
But yes, I do what you did all the time in GRB to flip the table if I start being radar locked to make sure we both can’t move the way we want if they got a missile off or locked me. Glad to know I’m not totally shit and I do make some correct moves… just mostly shit xD
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It isn’t his account ;-)
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The company known for bandaid fixes doesnt do the bandaid fix. They didn’t even have to fix the drag on the R-77, they could just give us the -1 and have us eat shit a little less. Guess not. Thanks Gaijin.
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