bro never got the opportunity to play with soviet radars, have fun using a SARH when your radar refuses to lock onto something from 3-5km even in ACM. That’s why the range of the 9M + its IRCCM is better in most cases, not to mention the smokeless motor. The R-73 is only really better if you’re doing under 2km merges but at that point it’s a hypothetical you survived the AMRAAM spam.
At that point you have to pray to whatever god you know the enemy doesn’t rub two braincells together and pre-flares making the R-73 useless and then decided to run rings around you with their superior FM
Oh so are you gonna say SRAAMs are better than R-13M1s because it pulls harder? The best missile youve used is an Aim-9E so pipe down and stop speaking until youve used an Aim-9M and R-73 and seen how bad the R-73 is
Before the introduction of the Fox-3s, Russia arguably had the strongest fighters with the R-73s and R-27ERs. Even today they are extremely strong in sub-10km engagements. I have the SU-27 and its been a joy to fly.
Russian planes are the most OP because of Russian bias! U.S. planes are all super weak because gaijin hates America, nobody can prove this logic wrong.
Is Pl-12 the best rocket? Don’t make my horseshoes laugh. The rocket is average in all characteristics, with a not very long launch range. And the j10a has problems with air resistance at high speeds (worse than the Mig 21bis), it accelerates very slowly at altitude. The same new F15E quietly gains Mach 2, in 25 seconds, on the J10A I did not see speeds above mach 1.5-1.7 (at any heights). Therefore, they are also strongly limited by the carrier. In general, they should be almost like AIM120C5, and in the game they are even worse than AIM120A. Well, or vice versa, AIM120A in the game according to the characteristics of AIM120C. The aim120 definitely has the first place, I hear that rockets R-Darter and Derby are very strong. I think they will be a little better than the PL-12. And only then about PL-12.
Serious question, why do you guys keep flying into the fur ball and complain about the amraam spam? It’s just all spam. Most of my battles in ARB are not me dying from the furball. I still die, I suck at planes in ARB. My getting close to 1:1 is because I use them GRB and rack up kills(just to get smoked again in ARB when I play lol)
… but I almost never die from amraam spam and there is certainly other US planes in the mix against me. Why do you fly into the big mix and continue to die an expect anything different? In fact I think most of my deaths are from IR missiles up close because notching is pretty easy and it’s just my shot ability to fly in my f15 where everyone ruins me with IR up close on the edges.
I’m not very good in air, but I still normally only die 1-2:1. I can normally notch the missiles just fine. Normally about 1-3 different missiles early on and then I get into the fight on the edges.
I have yet to experience this amraam spam because I don’t run into the furball.
As well, people pre-flare my 9ms all the time when I used them. Now it’s just full aim loadout for me except 1 9m and it gets pre-flared all the time and I have to keep working for the lock.
My argument isn’t against Soviet airframes getting buffed, I don’t fly them and I have no idea… simply this problem with “amraam spam” that seemingly you do nothing to correct by flying into the furball.
I have to notch plenty of missiles every game whenever I play ARB(which is more rare these days), but the struggles are still the same since I’m playing against US planes just like you.
Pl-12 has the 3rd best range behind the AMRAAM and AAM-4 (AAM-4 and Pl-12 are very close). Its also the 3rd best in maneuverability just behind the R-77 which makes it a versatile missile for close and long range.
AMRAAM for sure has the longest range but is also the worst in maneuverability only made worse with its 0.6s guidance delay (other ARH have 0.3s).
I rank Pl-12 the highest because top tier is once again in a furball/close range meta because of the addition of the radar altimeter. Rarely do I see long range kills anymore. This makes maneuverability a bit more important almost like range and the Pl-12 has both.
You don’t actually need to get hit by the missile for the missile to be impactful. For example, I’ve got an anecdotal story of a time that I managed to win a 4v1 with my spamraam harrier even though every single spamraam missed. What would have been four players dogpiling me turned into four players going evasive before they could comfortably get within range to shoot back. Of the four, two mirages crashed either in a failed attempt to multipath or a deliberate suicide to deny the kill out of spite. I was able to get on an F-4’s tail and kill him with guns. That left me with the freedom to duel the remaining mig-21 and eventually get on his tail with viffing tricks for another gun kill. Being able to realistically threaten opponents from ranges that they cannot match is a tremendous advantage even if the missiles miss.
R-73? No. The range on the 73 is far too short to shoot first against my opponents.
R-77 could do the same tactic from my anecdote, but the problem with the R-77 and long range attacks is that it’s all bark and no bite. You can gain value from missiles that miss by forcing the opponent to respect the missile, but it’s nice to have a missile that punishes the opponent if they fail to respect the missile. The immense drag on the R-77 just completely defangs the thing and gives it a pitifully small engagement range. There are ranges where a spamraam can be fired and the opponent can do nothing but immediately go defensive where an R-77 fired from the same range gives the opponent time to lock and fire back on their own before defending. It’s a lot harder to defend against the spamraam too. They can threaten you from further away and you have less time to properly notch or reach multipath height. It’s night and day catching someone rear aspect when I’m flying USA vs flying Russia. When I launch a SPAMRAAM up someone’s six from within pitbull range, I basically give them an ultimatum to notch/multipath or die. But with an R-77 often the opponent can just outrun the missile by keeping their foot on the throttle if they were going fast enough in the first place.
Forget the g-pull. I’d rather have range and speed every day of the week. If I could replace all of my R-77s with the lower BR and lower G pull farkour-90s I would in a heartbeat.
Having worse FMs and missiles. That’s one hell of a kick to the gut.
It’s a shame how badly Gaijin treats it’s favored country, I expected much more from bias.
There is only so much they can do on their end to prop up the russian tech, if you want good flankers in the future with capable missiles/avionics, you’re better off forgetting russia and investing in china
Or they could just make Russia more competitive, the biggest thing would be flight model buffs, for missiles there isn’t much they can do aside from tweaking the R-77 or adding a stopgap, but the flight models are the most obvious and easy things to buff.
Nothing russia has done in the last 40 years will come close to being Meta in war thunder, their last bead of hope was probably cold war ECM tech (if added in time) and the R-27ER and those days have been and gone in terms of effectiveness, russian aircraft don’t have high amounts of countermeasures, neither do they have avionics and airframes that come close to NATO, that’s not even me being a shill, simply just being realistic. Russian air will not see the light of the meta unless gaijin decides that the R-77-1 is a magical wonder missile or that Russia deserves fighters with Aesa before anyone else.
Being realistic would mean Russian flight models would be some of the best Ingame, instead of bricks. For missiles, there isn’t really much they can get rn, they could tweak the R-77’s to make them a bit better. There is also Active Radar Homing R-27’s, but in terms of realistic additions, it probably won’t be until the R-77-1 when Russia is back to being competitive, as it’s much better than the first R-77. In the future there is stuff like the R-37, R-37M and R-77M. And some obscure R-77 varients. The flight models though are a big thing, atleast if they’re fixed it won’t hinder future jets like the Mig-35 or Su-30, jets that solve issues like countermeasure count, radars, and would be added in an era where Russia has more competitive weaponry.
