This is just wrong. The Su-27 is incredibly good at 13.0, in fact its the best 13.0 in the live server right now. The Su-27SM and MiG-29SMT are mid on the other hand, could use a buff but they’re not uncompetitive.
There’s 7 top tier ARH missiles. My ranking of these missiles in order
PL-12
AAM-4
AMRAAM
Big gap in performance
R-77
Mica
and 7. R-darter/Derby
Yes. Firing missiles when youre already pretty much at the notch provides an advantage. It means you don’t have to turn a lot to fire your missiles and therefore get caught out of the notch. Also HOBS.
Also wdym by extra 5deg? Most western radars only have gimbal limits of 60deg.
I’m not saying Russian top tier isn’t bad, but OP’s points are clearly cherry picked. Its not an objective look at the aircraft, OP just chose all the bad points and I’ve already talked about what I find great about Russian planes.
I hate to break it to you also, but the R-Darter and Derby outrange the R-77, they’re better (I made sure I replied to this message, thats why I deleted it)
Fair enough, I can’t count. I even listed 6 of them lmao.
I was referring to the the radar on the J-10, since that one has 90 degrees to the side.
That might be true in a downtier, but I haven’t gotten one since they lowered it to 13.0. In a uptier to 13.7 it’s just sad, but I guess that goes for all 13.0s.
I don’t see how this is cherry picking when they are bad at everything in expect that the SU-27s carry more missiles than the competition and get a situationally useful IRST.
Do you have dementia? We already talked about this scroll up.
J-10 has 85deg.
Su-27SM can carry 12 missiles, R-27ETs, one of the fastest on the deck, R-27ERs (though using them against AMRAAMs require a lot of understanding of missiles), R-73s that can sometimes equalize a fight. Also underrated thing about the Flankers is that they can carry a lot of fuel, 25mins is enough to last me an entire match if I climb but this is pretty minor.
All your examples afor pros about Russian jets are just non-points, a long range IR missile hardly matters when flares exist (and they also just get flared by accident a lot anyway). The R-27ER is outdated in top tier, and the fuel is literally achievable by any jet with external fuel tanks.
Also, dont get on my case about bringing up the same thing multiple times when thats your entire argument. Stop bringing it up again, and I wont reply to it again.
R-77 is far from worse by a large margin. The additional range advantage for the AIM120 does not matter as much as you make it seem in a game situation, as all missiles will be fired at a lower range than their max.
R-77s performing well at closer ranges isn’t up for debate; that’s a fact. It’s like saying an F15 should be fast but it isn’t because a Mig 25, or a SR-71 is faster, and that’s just foolish.
yes
They can carry the most missiles in the game, they have some of the best radars combined with the best missiles in the game. Best WVR missile, (R-73), Best BVR missile, (R-27ER). The only thing Russia does not have that’s the absolute crème de la crème of missiles is their Fox 3 (R-77). With it being outranged, however, still crushing the “better” fox 3’s when you get down to lower ranges.
Moot points, this doesnt overcome the inherent issues of the jets, and this is again, something you’d want in addition to a good jet, not something to boast about as the pro’s of it.
I didn’t say it overcomes the issues of the jet. You seriously need to read. Its like the 10000th time I’ve said top tier Russian jets suck but they still have pros that make them decent.
Right, SMT has 90, J-10 has 85. I confused them in that post. But this is the 5 degree difference I was referring to in my first post.
Yes, as I said, they carry the most missiles.
Not that it matters much if you want to take 12 missiles half of them have to awful R-77s. I find the R-73s to be quite bad. They are quite slow and sometimes kill themselves with their thrust vectoring.
I am not saying these jets can’t get kills. They can. But they are simply worse at it.