Top Tier Russian Fighters are worse than nearly all of their competition

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Also, ask gaijin to fix BR compression then instead of asking for USSR fighters to be intentionally and artificially gimped to help soothe aching USA/GER main complaints about the pantsir or other annoying russian problems

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lol Gripen also got nerf multiple times in the past fews months more times than MiG and SU

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I hate to break it to the but the Mig-29 nerf was way more substantial than all the Gripen nerfs combined, atleast in terms of how the jet flies compared to pre-nerf

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And? you really expect SU-27 to win dogfight against small light weight canards delta wing like Gripen everytimes? as it Gripen was designed that ways?

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definitely not, gripen still has a great FM even afterwards, mig29 was pretty gutted

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Literally this

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As it shadow of it former self
Yet F-16 leave untouched

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reverting all the 29 nerfs would create a super fun top tier experience for both sides where each side has distinct advantages in the dogfight again. F-16 vs MiG29 used to be a great fight

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Well, the F-16 was buffed when the Mig-29 nerf happened, no g limiter

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Wether or not that is substantial is, here or there, I just want the Mig-29’s fixed and the Su-27’s reworked

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There are 5 different ARH missiles excluding the Phoenix. I used all of them except the Derby and I can say that the R-77 is the worst. R-77 is definitely worse than the AMRAAM/Rb99, PL-12 and AAM-4 by a large margin, and I would say it’s even worse than the MICA at closer ranges where the R-77 should “perform well”.

Does 5 extra degrees really matter when you are using active radar missiles anyway?

You would have to cherry pick to find something good to say about these planes.

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Mig-29SMT is the F-16C equivalent.
Su-34 will be F-15C equivalent when added.

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the US didnt really overestimating the capabilities they just took the soviet propaganda serious

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Boy are Russian mains going to be disappointed with future added aircraft and the tec gap between American a Russian. If the more advanced r77 gets added, right along side it will be the C series of aim-120s and we will have this conversation again

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Well put.

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I mean, that’s why Gaijin should try and close the gap now, it’s already horrible, and it would be even worse in the future, Russia can compete, Gaijin just doesn’t let it.

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You do realize that 8/10 nations have USA planes and AMRAAMS right? Both Japan and Israel gets F-15’s and Gripens, Harriers etc also use AMRAAMS. It’s not the USA being good, it’s Russia and China being weaker than other nations.

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And yes, I understand that US jets will probably still be stronger, but like, Gaijin isn’t exactly helping by refusing to fix Russian flight models at top tier, or tweak the R-77 (some people say it has less drag irl)

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I feel like the best thing they could do (which isn’t going to be the case) is not focus on modern things past what they have, and focus on features, and I know development of vehicles and features are different teams, but add things like subs, more modes, ECM, etc. Round out the areas that are currently facing the game. That doesn’t mean adding more modern vehicles to push the meta, but make the current build into a better rounded experience, I feel like we are pushing vehicles beyond the features that they have, and it’s lagging behind to counter and add full features to already implemented weaponry

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They won’t ever slow down with adding stuff to top tier imo, they’ve got to keep riding the hype train.