I agree that these planes are at a huge disadvantage at range. However there is a lot you can do outside of BVR. OP says all you get to shot at is scraps, but I find that far from the truth.
EDIT: I added the part below
Kinda. Russia is the only nation that suffers in that category.
I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here
I would not expect any changes in gameplay. Many players love disbalanced PVP gameplay, and gaijin follows this lead.
Last top tier air RB meta that I personally enjoyed was f16 vs mig29 (9-12)
After that we got IRCCM cancer which was still managable, annoying at first but managable once you figured it out.
Then the got the multipath change, personally not the greatest fan of it but people were bored of deck-hugging meta, therefore understandable.
Then we got ARH missiles, IMO that was the final blow for this gamemode at top tier.
Fly up, dump your load, turn out, pray that you killed enough shit so the enemy team folds faster than yours.
Close or clutchable games in top tier, maybe 1 in like 25.
Thats not a gameplay loop I enjoy, sorry to say.
Oh wow this is definitely the take of someone that doesn’t know.
Then expand my knowledge instead of telling someone who doesn’t know that they don’t know.
How can the rafale be effective in a BVR environment and not have to rely on eating the scraps of the enemy team after the initial engagement.
There are planes with their own “unique” playstyle, like the sea vixen. But the sea vixen never has to come in 5 minutes late to the game, it can fight with the team.
Then we have aircraft like the Rafale, which do not fit the meta at all, and if replaced by an F-15E in the team, the team would be better off.
We can catch some battles together soon if youd like as Its easier to show you than tell you. But really long story short youre worrying about the wrong things and are trying to force an aircraft to be something it isnt. The meta is easy enough to ignore and counter.
The videos ive seen of people explaining how to use the rafale all are using notching to get in close.
Notching shouldn’t be a primary strategy. I just don’t think its viable
Just tried what everyone does in their videos and climb to like 5k, and then notch the incoming aim120’s.
Got hit in the tail and went down. It’s not like i dont know how to notch, i did it in DCS. It’s just there are way more missiles from way too many angles.
Download the OIAAIOAIA RWR sound mod it makes it 100x better
You get a personal DJ upon launches
Warthunder top tier is all made up shit anyways. Why not make other Fox 3s have something unique while sacrificing some aspects of the missile, not the current situations, where they are just worse?
Stop focusing on BVR man 😭. Rafale can’t do BVR as well as other planes. End of story. Focus on things it does well. Like dogfighting.
And Russia suffers immensely at top tier. Even though the R-77 should be equal to if not better than AMRAAM
Dogfights are a rare occurance in top tier
While its mostly pilot skill, the ef2k and f16 both are better at dogfighting than it.
It’s not about cannon dogfighting, it’s about short range fighting with missiles.
So the 2-3 guys who survived the first wave of missiles?
The people who are getting mopped up by f-15e’'s going mach 2 and slinging amraams at them while i barely get to see them on radar?
As I said, skill issue!
You are only talking about problems produced by the real problems we have in ARB.
Yeah honestly you’re right.
Don’t really know why im playing after 10k hours. Thought i’d be decent but i guess its time to put away the wallet and go play minecraft because this game is made for zoomers.
fly it like the Mirage 2k-5 then, peel off to the side of your teammates and climb to 5km while going left, try and stick to the clouds and use your amazing TWS to get an idea of the position of the enemy team, then try and oick off those who are attempting to go headon with your teammates (enemy players who fly low and off to their right) and once they get within 20 or so km and are attempting to multipath, giving your MICA ample chance to slam them since MICAs practically ignore MP.
Once you have picked off the outliers then you can either choose to stick at altitude or head to the deck to engage the furball, dodging fox-3s is easy in any top tier french jet due to the amazing avionics and chaff count paired with the MICA/HMD combo just makes them a joy to fly.
I’ve had everything except joy flying this piece of shit