Complaining about it is better than pressing the button to go get fucked once again by the game.
ik how high tier combat works and it’s overrated, my point was that it should truly come down to one’s skill level over billy’s OP AMRAAM bus
Good luck to you, maybe they’ll listen to another random thread about the MICA missing range
I don’t have delusions that gaijin ever listens to its playerbase, im here because it heals the hurting heart to hear others with the same problems as you. The “you are not alone” with depression applies to this.
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Lmao you are taking that a little too seriously I think, maybe go play lower BR jets like the Mirage IIIE, it’s great fun.
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Yeah lower tiers can be more fun. 8.3 french ground is my go to right now, also because the top tier is fucked in ground.
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Still to be fair, top tier jets is about waiting for the right opportunity, that’s why you have tons of chaffs, so just be a little more patient, the long range joust is actually easy to escape if you are willing to play the long game, and since you play top tier it’s not like you have to grind anything. Anyway it’s how I see it…
I think it’s great, and GRB really is where it shines. Where you’re 1 on 2, maybe even 3 it gets hard, but totally manageable and much more fun. AirRB sucks, but I also think it’s more than that.
I think people just act like there’s no skill in top tier AirRB, because there’s plenty of dudes I’ve seen with 3-5kd’s at top tier in different nations. That doesn’t come from nowhere. Not even including the content creators who actually and regularly just dump on people.
I think it’s just upsetting for people that they don’t realize they just aren’t good at top tier air. Like me, I am not good lol, but hold my own in GRB. So it’s easier to say it’s trash and easy just fire aim120’s and switch your brain off.
Yeah but this discussion is about air, not ground rb.
Im not saying there isn’t skill in top tier air, but it’s certainly unbalanced. KD padding is not a skill, as anyone can have a good kd by rtb and J’ing out after their first kill in a game.
J’ing out kills you, does it not?
It does not count as a death if you J out at the airfield.
Ah, yeah forgot about that. I seriously doubt this is just some wide spread practice lol.
I get that it’s an ARB thread(I think they’re great for GRB), but I also think there’s a lot of people who aren’t good and aren’t cut out for top tier ARB and instead of it being their fault. It’s the missiles are too strong, my plane sucks, everything but “I can’t handle the gsmeplay.”
While there certainly are people who aren’t cut out for top tier, most people here id wager are old vets of old war thunder and have an interest in air combat, and have the capability to learn.
We didn’t buy our way into top tier.
I did, skipped the stuff I don’t like.
Doesn’t mean someone is good just cuz they made it there through a grind. Everyone can learn, doesn’t mean they can perform. Just my 2 cents, I think a lot of people are a lot less good at the game than they think they are. Especially ARB, where The skill threshold and luck needed for all the nations is higher because of the furball and convergence.
Everyone can’t be cut out for it if it’s a zero sum game. Someone has to die, for you to get a kill and vice versa. Getting to top tier is a score threshold, not a skill one.
You can talk about the games problems even if you’re not “cut out for it”. You don’t have to be the best at the thing you’re doing to understand basic concepts behind it.
By your definition nobody should speak out on the forums about the games problems, because there can’t be problems and its just a skill issue for every single problem in this game.
Who defines skill anyways. Should we only let the people in esports tournaments write on forums?
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When your team dies in this scenario, your plane doesn’t matter, it’s a skill issue of your team!
If a toptier player can’t avoid a missile at 30km or even more, there is no doubt about it.
99% of the missiles shooted at me were 30+ km at the beginning of the battle.
And at 14.0 there is no fakour except an active squad.
I didn’t say they can’t speak out, I’m all for different perspectives.
Just make sure you recognise your own biases, as someone who only plays USA in air, has skipped most of the tech-tree, and has focused gameplay around a few choice premiums. What do you know about skill thresholds in lower BRs? Point is, most players can ‘git gud’ at top-tier air if they wanted to and put their time into it. But if they unlock a few modifications after the stock grind and then start getting familiar with FOX3, and still find the gameplay unrewarding, boring and stale? Why would they continue playing it?
I myself, am primarily a ground player. But I’ve had top-tier jets unlocked for quite a while. I recently unlocked the Barak II, jumped in doing the stock grind with no chaff and having neglected air battles since FOX3 were added. I got my ass handed to me, I just wasn’t gelling with flying a fat F-16 and using the Derby missile. But then I started adapting tactics and getting more familiar with everything, and I started getting kills (still only have chaff unlocked - need to research missiles, etc) and started clawing back my KDR in it, but I noticed that even when I was getting kills I just wasn’t having fun or enjoying the matches. Instead of fixing up my KDR and spading the Barak, I simply just stopped using it after 27 battles. I went back to the Ayit/Shahak and Nesher. Point is, if you make the gameplay engaging, then players will put the time and effort into it. Most well-adjusted or even semi-adjusted individuals don’t mind being bad or average at something as long as the gameplay is engaging. Top-tier simply isn’t.
I don’t blame such replies given the title of this topic. It discounts that other missiles like the PL-12 are quite workable and have their strengths over the AIM120 in certain situations that you need to account for.
hey gues what ? There is an option for a 12 vs 12 match so you don’t have to face 16 people at once
Rafale is perfectly usable and is actually a really decent plane in the current meta. Don’t try to use it like a F15E, because it’s not what it’s designed for in Warthunder. Trying to apply IRL logic doesn’t work either, again, because this is warthunder.
Yes, the top tier gameplay of AMRAAM spammer is incredibly stupid, and can offer results at almost no effort. It doesn’t make the other planes bad. Long range AMRAAM are completely useless on a player with two braincells.
That said, the entire gameplay loop of taking off > merging with 16 players > ending the game in 5 minutes is incredibly bad and needed a rework 5 years ago. Until then, it is possible to have fun with Fox 3 planes regardless if you like the planes. I definitely prefer using them in Sim however.