The state of aiir simulator

I love air sim…i love it i do …but why does it feel like am are getting punished for playing air sim…


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How do i explain to someone that this is all you got when you are atleast somewhat decent…the economy in sim is in shambles…my friend died only 3 times having landed multiple times and gotten the15 min reward just for it to evaporate thge moment he dies…same happened to me and is happening to so many other players who play sim or evem if you are just comming to grind the events…this need fixing

Another type of cancer thats has appeared from 11.7-14.7 in air sim is IRON DOMING…where you can shoot down in coming missiles with your own missiles…imagiine fighting a SU30SM2 thats notching and you wanna add some more pressure so he stays in the notch longer and while being in the notch shoots down the missile and still shoots at you and kills you…sounds super fun doesnt it…or shooting at someone at high alt you see the missile trail he shoots down your missile forces you to defend and you do survive till the merge just for them to j out when you merge…i do understand the reluctance to change this because it would affect sams and what not but really…ik they added the radar filtering for this but if its something you can just turn off and on it is not helping (and while turned off you radar will still track it )…

If you wanna bomb bases now with glide bombs am sorry…the itos while destroy them…after the april fools event this has been the case…

Also no battle rating changes…not even a mention for air sim…where are we headed

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and the worst part is that you can go positive in terms of K/D and still go negative in SL which completely discourages playing the game without premium

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You’re getting punished for not being in the cycle of Air RB and constantly getting focused or all the enemies dying before you can even reach em

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Economy is just a bad joke. Earlier I joined a match, I had time to take off and score a single kill. Few min later the match ended, way before the useful actions timer expired, so even without losing my aircraft at the end of the game I had a negative income.

That’s why i went back to prop using premium vehicles only, that’s the only way to earn and not lose lions.

Playing today for the event, despite the good k/d ratio, costed me 200k SL

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I guess this is the “existing thread”

i saw they closed yours

Oh well. This one’s better anyways since it’s about the total state and not just the economy of sim

I found an existing thread specifically for Useful Actions. I pinged a few of you guys there, imo, it MIGHT be better to keep these threads/discussions separate. Because it seems to me that the “Useful Actions” conversation is fairly in-depth and/or technical. I found a handful of other old threads about the same topic, I linked them in my message on this other thread.

Let me know what you guys think, I left a note for the mods as well to let me know if they want us/me to use a different thread, and I will edit/move/delete any of my messages as needed.

Cheers!

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@ Mods, if you do end up merging these threads together, feel free to delete my entire reply here, and/or I will delete it myself to save space in this thread 👍

Original message:

In depth post from @FumaFinoMataRind about his experiences with Air Sim. Quoting here so more of you Sim guys can see and comment 👍

@Morvran 's reply to the message above 😉

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Not only this but Russia is again dominating with the iron dome meta and their missles outclassing everything in the sky. I was just on sim earlier and I had to get off my stats have dropped drastically because of the buff to Russian bias in war thunder as a whole.

Their missles can hit you no matter if you notch chaff multipath if your close enough but if you even dare to insult gajin devs and the snail by playing America to grind through it you aim 9ms will pull 5gs max and go out every time. And if you shoot a aim120c with the higher altitude the better the energy for the missle and the art of surprise and keeping a soft lock it misses and they’ll just iron dome and kill you while they get to fly in a straight line and not die.

I’m frankly tired of war thunder they don’t go off of actual facts they go off of why Russia says on paper andeveryone knows that’s not how they perform irl. For gods sake their new gen is getting beat by americas old gen in Ukraine right now. They give Russia the buffs and the techs give the players no proper reasoning on why or how they give Russia these buffs or these additions and why they leave nato nation out.

Gajin is burning theirselves into the ground and when they get taken to court (hopefully)and the community starts to rebel back it’ll be a great day for the community and hopefully they get bought out by a company that knows how to model missles and aircraft correctly and off factual evidence not just what one country says but how it actually performs irl. Hopefully the devs of dcs buy this game and keep it a console friendly game and just change the bias towards nations and the modeling.

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Actually mica is hardest to notch. R-77-1 and all other fox 3s are just as easy to notch as any other fox 3s excluding phoenixes.

Phoenixes are freelo to notch but fakour might catch you off guard cause they got insane speed

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The R-77-1 is the second best missle in the game behind the micas and I’ve died less from micas then I have from R-77-1. And that’s when I’m noticing and chaffing.

That’s cause wayyy more people play Russia than France/china.

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I once died due to the runways disappearing (most likely the airfield was destroyed when i was on the airfield) and i was in negative SL, after that i got 5 kills in my F-18C and then died (15 mins had not passed after those kill) and i barely got any SL which made lose even more SL. 15min time for Useful action is one of the things that I don’t like about sim, the other thing being the toxic community and iron dome meta which happens less below 14.0.

(Out of all 3 game modes, Air RB, Ground RB and Air Sim, sim had most toxic community. If you kill someone who is only bombing they get extremely mad, Once i got into a game where i killed an enemy who was bombing, then he complained in chat and even my team started killing me. While it has toxic players, but some player were incredibly wholesome and very chill)

Edit: Also found a new toxic behavior. Player j out just before missiles hit them

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The j out isn’t new it’s been in the top tier behavior for years now.

First time hapening to me in sim(kinda new to sim).So i assumed player would be a bit different

AM GONNA SHOOT DOWN YOUR MISSILE

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Same here. While it’s pretty reasonable at mid tiers, with props by the time you take off, do something, back to rearm and reload, you spend more or less 13/15 min, but with jets it’s almost impossible unless you play very conservative, you get a kill or 2 and then run back to base waiting for useful action timer to expire.

That’s because, unfortunately, sim battles are infested with premium vehicle players who think that in sim they can grind faster. If they start insulting you, ignore them and keep doing your job, after all it’s a pvp game, not pve. And if your own teammates start tking you intentionally, link the replay to a game master (in game report about teamkill it’s a bit meh). Unintentional kills may happen, especially with fox-3.

This never happened to me. And tbh such behavior is a total non sense. J out or being shot = you lose your vehicle, but with j out you don’t earn anything, score points, lions, rp, nothing, while if you get shot you still get something (even if it’s not much). When I run out of fuel I literally beg enemies to shoot me before I crash, lol

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Surprised, it’s very common at top tier. You defend against someone doing MCM combat? The moment you get into a dogfight they j out.
Or people j out when they lose the dogfight. IMO it’s very common in top tier

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Time ago (not sure how long it was) when j-out the nearest player was credited for the kill. Don’t know why they removed this feature.
MCM is the main reason I quitted top tier, even though it happens constantly at lower tiers too. I was also accused of that, kinda funny notching a missile while doing MCM, isn’t it?
This is also the reason I didn’t play the pobit yet, I’m scared of facing a 12 missiles MCM abuser.

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