As for the AMX 10 RC… I will have to look into it more.
Not that I recall. I would have to go digging through what little source material I have for them but to be honest not much source material even exists for these tanks in the first place.
Thx ，looking forward to your reports
Is this a joke? I’ve been on this forum page for almost a year, some people have been fighting with NEXTER documents for a year, like for the SHARD shells, and Gajin just turns a deaf ear… We can give them a Nexter document signed by the Ministry of the Army and President Mr. MACRON and you’ll always get the same response “unreliable source”!
Almost like they don’t want to buff the tank, welcome to small nation syndrome.
Sadly, upon reviewing the source material as I was about to make a bug report it appears that I have misread the info. The 4x - 8x optical zoom is for the M427 sight for the commander.
I will go ahead with the thermals report in a few days along with some other reports such as armour for the AMX 30. In the meantime, I’ll look into having a dedicated thread for the AMX 30, 32 and 40.
On the question of whether the Leclerc has spall liners: I have recently acquired the English of Stephane Ferrard’s “Le Systeme Leclerc”. The original French text written by Ferrard is quite poorly written but the English translation paints a clearer picture:
Therefore, spall liners were only ever proposed for the Leclerc and they were most likely not included due to weight considerations (much like the Abrams).
I’m pretty certain I’ve seen most of the still-available literature for the Leclerc and only 1 secondary source has stated that the Leclerc contains spall liners. And if I had to hazard a guess, this source got its information from Ferrard’s original French text which can be at times quite incoherent. Consequently, there are no plans at this time to report any sort of missing spall liners for the Leclerc.
For what it’s worth, we could still get the Leclerc ARV which I’m almost certain has spall liners (but not really any armament lol):
But I can’t say I’m surprised. The Leclerc was put on a massive diet. Fun fact: the crew compartment is so limited that neither the commander nor gunner can be over 182cm tall. This is surely the reason why the Swedish didn’t choose the Leclerc since the average Swedish male is 180cm tall.
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You should see how the commander is supposed to use the escape hatch.
There are only 2 escape hatches. One under the gunner, the other below the drive. In order to leave, the commander needs to remove a panel between him and the driver, and go through that opening head-on (so upside down), to then leave through the driver’s exit.
These guys probably need special flexibility training just to be sure they can escape the tank
I was really happy to load in and see better French colours. I was promptly disappointed by the realisation that it was the only thing they bothered with.
I am glad the colours are better, but it was really the least pressing issue.
I just want to compare Leopard 2A4M with Leclerc.
Leopard advantages:
That’s… uh;
How are the “same mediocare armour” and “minimal difference in mobility” advantages, btw?
I’d also argue a 1s faster reload (lets be honest, in most situations it’s actually 1.4 seconds faster because I doubt anybody in their right mind will ace the CAN) is a much bigger advantage, qualitatively speaking, than a 3rd generation camera or 13mm more penetration, it’s not like KE-W spalls better either, since it weighs 4kg, same as OFL F1.
You could’ve made a much better case for yourself if you had simply stated that Leclerc S1/S1 are as good as 2A4M CAN is in most situations, but are at 11.7 and not 11.3… but I also kinda get why they aren’t 11.3, you can get some filthy downtiers there, and seeing as majority of Leclerc players aren’t lvl 5 to 15, they would stomp (been there, done that - Type 90).
A typical case of BR compression ngl, considering that 2A7V & 2A5 are at the same BR.
Unpopular opinion but Leclerc>Leopard 2A6 at every aspect
So, how long gaijin goin to avoid this conversations? Idk but its one of the biggest on the forum i guess
U cannot add armour just because no inf, ok, just give them SPALL LINERS!!!
Except Leo2A6 actually has better:
-Protection
-Elevation speed,
-Commander thermals (if you dont count XXI),
-Much better firepower,
-Spall Liners
-Gun depression
Only 3 things Leclerc do better:
-Gunner Thermal Resolution
-First Stage Stowage
-Reload Speed
Leo2A6 is a better package overall.
Leopard 2 is also faster than Leclerc, despite Leclerc being 10 tons lighter (Community Bug Reporting System).
You also forgot to mention that on top of having no spall liners, Leclerc only has 3 crew members, which means any penetration = certain death, even at some stupid angles (since the spalling changes, penetration on the left side of the tank somehow manages to kill the 2 crew members on the right side).
And don’t even get me started on the armor … it’s currently worse than the HSTVL - a light tank. Like, come on Devs. In my opinion, the Leclercs are currently light tanks … that cannot scout.
It would be nice if the Devs could actually take a look at the armor and improve it. It’s really what hurts the Leclercs the most. Even though mobility and a new shell would also be nice … Yeah, it’s a mess.
Besides perhaps Arietes (but Italy now has an amazing Leopard 2), Leclercs are currently and undoubtedly the single worst MBTs at top tier right now.
Anyway, needless to say this is the most ridiculous and unfounded take I have ever seen on the forums.
These mobility issues, plus the proven missing spall liners and UFP being worse than T-64A’s, are absolutely outrageous. How haven’t they fixed any of this yet? In fact, they actively refuse to do so!
