That does sound like it would be very close to the L55 performance of DM53. That said I am a bit confused by the designation, both English and French Wikis indicate 120 OFLE F2 to be a 2013 round different from the 1996 OFL 120 F2. So this appears not to be the same shell we were talking about? Given both are DU (and M829A2 is a 1994 round) we might be talking about a similar ballpark though (like DM53 vs DM63).
It seems like the OFL F2 and the OFLE F2 are two different rounds yeah, but I’m not sure if he’s making a difference between the two given that the topic he’s posting in is referencing the OFL F2.
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Since i started reading this post I also started to play the Leclerc again. Jeez it’s seriously broken …
The T-80 is just as fast while having much more armour and better gun, same for the Leo. The only tank I can engage without having 80% chance of dying is the Type 10 …
That’s my average game lately :
T-80 : can’t pen, not even the mantlet and enjoy being one shot in return.
Leo : try to hit the hull unless it’s the swedish version and then enjoy dying cuz the commander or gunner is still alive.
M1 : can kill it but still has better armour so depends on who shoots first
The others are manageable but don’t ever get hit cuz everything pens you.
Seriously, I know there are other tanks but those 3 are the ones you’ll always end up encoutering since they are spammed so much. How come a top tier mbt be struggling so much against adversaries so common and, according to gaijin, on the same level …
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OFL F1 pens as much as 3BM60 & L27A1.
DM43 pens far less than all 3.
Inb4 you call me a troll for stating that fact.
All tanks have a reload time that’s longer than real-life, no one’s given special treatment.
İ will call you troll as long as you keep claiming leclerc’s are in fine situation and accusing other people to see french mains suffers cause they asked buffs for Leclerc series.
All those tanks you mentioned have better ufp armor(except 2pl which has better turret armor actually) and some of them have even better mobility.
İts also funny how you mentioned about kd and wr ratios while your most misareble performance is in leclerc compare to your other top tier tanks.
That ufp is so bad that even 8.7 tanks can easily pen you, hell even gun breach area is so bad that an M18 can actually one shot you from there (which happened to my leclerc about year ago).
So yea when you say Leclerc’s are in fine situation and asking for buffs is nothing but a cruel wish, you deserve the title of bein troll.
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just because there are tanks that are worse doesn’t mean the leclerc is in a good situation
These are your words not mine:
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13hDude, stop antagonizing French players. We get it, you hate Leclercs & want them to suffer.)
Yet you keep accusing me for something i didnt do in the first place.
God you have serious issues.
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Not just that but Abrams have similiar mobility while having much better armor, for T80’s they have better mobility, much better armor and smiliar firepower.
IRL or IG?
Glad we finally agree on something.
IG of course.
Starting with T80U all high level T80’s does have better armor, similiar or better mobility and similiar firepower.
Starting with base Abrams model all of them have better ufp and starting with M1A2 last 2 model got better armor, similiar mobility and much better firepower.
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I’m talking about IRL as well as GI; other tanks perform better IG on several systems than IRL.
IRL we dont exactly know which one has better armor because of classified documents, but we sure know which models got better mobility and firepower.
İf this game based on irl performance many tanks would be suffer in almost any area.
First learn how to read and stop accusing other people for something they didnt do.
Second why did you bring KE-W and M829A1 into this situation. You do realize US army currently using much better rounds then KE-W and M829A1 right?
This is what the mobility of a Leclerc is, To recall a Leclerc 57T and 26.3 hp/t and a VBCI 28T 19.6 hp/t. In addition, the braking of Leclerc and quite impressive.
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Interview with General Richoux (Subtitle available in English) He gives a lot of interesting or complementary information. (a leclerc tank user)
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Thank you for both of these videos. Seems like the drag race is rather represented in WT tho.
if it wasn’t for the turbo lag in warthunder the leclerc would actually be quite speedy
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The reload speed is a balance factor, Gaijin has stated as such before. A Merkava isn’t slower to reload than an Abrams or a Leo 2 is IRL as they use the same gun, yet it is in game. The Challenger 2 probably doesn’t reload faster IRL (and it might even be slower due to the 2 pieces ammunitions), yet it’s faster in game than any of the aforementioned tanks.
As for the Type 10, it is accurate at 4s:
Gaijin has already set plenty of precedent for “special treatments” as you call it, not me. Since Gaijin has already set precedent, buffing the Leclerc’s reload is a perfectly acceptable proposal as long as it’s not a false value, and a 5s reload is supposedly achievable by the Leclerc’s autoloader.
And just to be extra clear: Asking for a better reload or a better round does not mean that we don’t want to see the armor fixed. We absolutely do want to see it fixed.
Three things:
- I never once called you a troll
- I very specifically called for the armor to be fixed, and I did so repeatedly. I literally mention it in the OP, I made a long post detailing the fact the all armor upgrade proposal did not include uparmoring the LFP and UFP as proof that it’s not as bad as the game makes it out to be, and I even called out Smin on it.
- Back off with the personal attack. That’s the second time you’ve attacked me it’s getting tiresome. It’s not my fault if you’re not understanding what’s being said.
Which is pretty absurd considering that the whole point of the hyperbar system is to specifically eliminate turbo lag by having a turbine which provides a constant source of power in place of a traditional turbo.
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I didn’t invent anything. You said that I was antagonizing French players and that I wanted them to suffer
You also explicitly told me and others to grow up.
Yes, those are attacks and misrepresentations of my arguments. Please stop doing that.