The biggest problem for the Leclerc reload, it is the paramters choiced by GJ.
For the Japan vehicles (Type 90…) the reload time is based on better conditions for the autoloader: 4s at stop than 5s in movement.
For the Leclerc, it is the inverse… the most badder conditions for set the reload time (5s at stop and 6s in movement)…
That not fair for Leclerc players… If the Leclerc have 6s reload in ther better conditions, ok, but it is not the case.
I kinda get what you mean, but purely from a balance perspective it remains a fact that these tanks can match the Leclerc’s reload while having other advantages on top of that.
And it’s not like a nuke where you need to play extremely well to get it, you just need to have the disposable income or the patience.
Yes the Leclerc MBTs are in a dire state.
Survivability, mobility and firepower are the 3 main caracteristics when it comes to judging a vehicle.
When the first Leclerc came out it was very good in all 3 areas.
Now, it’s been powercrept so much it’s either bad or average in all three categories.
I don’t believe we’ll ever get a tankier Leclerc and it’s not like we can get a 4th crew member to get more survivability either, so my suggestion for a buff would be :
If Gaijin doesn’t intend on giving it a better armor, faster reload rate or a better shell, they might as well give it the scouting ability because its survivability is so bad it’s currently closer to a light tank than a MBT …
100% agree.
Well yes, but while an Abrams can reach the same reload rate as a Leclerc with enough RP or GE, a Leclerc won’t ever get the survivability of the Abrams.
Besides the reload (which the Abrams can reach), the Leclerc is objectively worse in every aspect.
Since the Leclerc is sacrifying survivability (a crew member) to get an autoloader, it should at least get a better reload with the autoloader don’t you think ?
4 seconds is the japanese gimmick, so I believe the Leclerc should get 5 seconds reload.
That should give people an actual reason to play the Leclerc …
I agree with your post overall, but I have to say that there’s another thing that needs to be done: Fixing the UFP armor
The fact that the Leclerc saw 6 different armor upgrades proposal:
And that NONE of these kits made over 3 decades, even the third party ones, upgrade the UFP and LFP of the tank clearly shows that it’s considered as being sufficient by all parties involved. That would obviously not be the case if the IRL Leclerc had the same protection as the one it does in game. And let’s not forget that one of the upgrade that Sweden did to the Leo 2 when they adopted it was to upgrade its UFP and LFP, something that wasn’t suggested for the Leclerc.
Steel Beasts’ values are far more likely to be correct:
Gaijin is tripping with the Leclerc’s protection and it needs to be fixed.
I dont think that would be enough proof to convice gaijin
Probably not, as “common sense” is clearly not a good enough reason for Gaijin to review something. Laviduce made an extremely detailed post on the old forum making some pretty strong arguments for changes, but gaijin said it was insufficient as well.
The only way we could get more accurate values at this point would be by using classified information, and we all know how gaijin feels about those (not that I have any anyway).
I think buff 2 Leclerc it enough is Leclerc S2 get new shell OFL 120 F2 replace OFL 120 G1 & add 2nd apfsds 120 OFLE F2 on Leclerc SXXI, increase at 12.0 and move to rank VIII
Should be that long ago really better round are big need for it
I like the Leclerc but it is definitely one of the weaker 11.7s in game right now, sitting somewhere between the base M1A2/2A5 and the Challenger/Ariete.
The easiest buffs to the Leclercs would be to give them a 5s reload and to give the S.2 and S.XXI the OFL 120 F2 shell. Both are realistic changes and the latter would also create some distinction between the S.1 and S.2 which right now are just reskins of each other.
An armour buff would be nice but unless someone can dig up a Nexter/KNDS brochure actually saying something substantial (like RHAeq or specific munitions it can protect against) it’d have to be entirely speculative and Gaijin will probably never do it.
And during thos time, GJ give thermal on T-80B because, you understand, the model who served for the game is the tank who presented in a swedish army event presentation have a thermal,…
“Except”
And then some say that Gaijin does not favor the Soviets (their equipment) and that Gaijin does not deliver to French Bashing. But all this and Gaijin’s actions prove it. And the arrival of the Royal is not proof that Gaijin is interested in France, it is simply the logical continuation of things.
you can see gaijin very active on France related bug reports and suggestions i do wonder if its just a waiting game because most of the buffs France needs gaijin just hast modeled for any vehicle just do to how modern France is currently compared to most nations either that or StAtIstiCs
Love how some peole just come and say “no it’s not bad you can still kill something with it”. Well duh, obviously. I can also kill a T80 with a Tiger but that doesn’t mean it’s fair or balanced.
The Leclerc is underperforming compared to its rivals, it has literally no advantage, that’s what we are saying…
my biggest issue is that the leclerc s21 was added in 2021 France hast had anything new for top tier since not even a buff which is wild to me lots of nations cant go a major update without seeing a tech jump slightly off topic but.
And that’s the whole contradiction in gaijin’s argument: They want us to provide indisputable proof that they’re wrong, but the only thing that fits the bill is classified info which is unusable.
And hell, even manufacturer info isn’t enough: See the Mistral’s performance or Spookston giving them official documents about the M41 and them not doing anything about it
Eh, I’ll have to disagree with you on this one. I thought the La Royale patch was pretty good for France:
Honestly, it was one of the best patch in a long time for France.
Many tanks don’t have the service ammo in game that were used in combat. Case in point, the M1A1 at 10.7, I deployed on that tank carrying a combat load consisting of M829A2, M830, M830A1 and M1028. In game it only has access to M829, M829A1 and M830.
When it comes to France’s ground and helicopters, it’s never enough until they want to be honest.
They will always find an excuse not to implement such buffs.