Have they removed this BS yet?
from what i see no
i mean idc much anyway i dont play this game
its 🍿 tho
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??? That’s what I said…
I was referring to the AGM-65D carriers. Most nations have F-16s or F-15s with targeting pods and AGM-65Ds.
Oh my, well if Japan doesn’t have it then I guess no one is entitled to it. (sarcasm)
Germany will get better ordinance as we go into the modern era, but it also has the best tanks in the game by far…
KH-38MTs are just as ineffective in city maps as the mavericks.
Yeah- I agree that CAS is generally abusive at top tier. The KH-38MT is the best because of the extended range and warhead, but not by much. As I said, the AGM-65Ds are just as capable of abusing ground.
I don’t need to doubt anymore. I know you have not played with either.
I literally don’t care if the KH-38MT gets removed or not. I am a US main. But if you think that I am justifying the KH-38MT because I say that it is not much better than the AGM-65D, then okay?
LOL. I’m a US main. The KH-38MT is FAR from my favorite toy. My motivations are actually much simpler: I want fairness in the game. I want either everyone to have access to things or no one to (e.g. removed vehicles, FnF ordinance, etc. etc.).
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they are not, they loft more agressivly and significantly less time to target both mean it is much less likely to move behind an obstruction
it is though, even just the IOG is a very significant advantage because if a mav loses lock for a second it falls out of the air where if a kh38 loses lock it will keep going to last known location and can even reacquire
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German mains are willing to overlook the kh38mt if we out ww2 wunderwaffe back.
not when most of it uses ARH which gaijin seem allergic to adding
UK is good. I’m a brit main but I can not ignore how insane the USSR tree is
no it didn’t. there were drawings of an ostwind 2 however it was nothing like in game. guns would have been top+botton instead of side by side to use a pre-existing gun layout. to literally be the ostwind but 2 guns
Gen1, which are pretty much useless. Optic zoom is also too much to scan the skies with it.
Which they routinely just miss because their guidance sucks. Every launch is a coinflip on whether the missile will actually do that it was designed to do or not.
Records say it was built and there is a shipping manifest for it, specifically in this configuration.
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Spoiler
Some records for it and for the Zerstörer 45 (wirbelwind configuration not the one ingame) shared by @TT33a
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Doesn’t the Kh-29TE work with the SOLT-25 thermal, which is on the Su-25SM3, in principle the same as the AGM-65D?
I highly recommend to leave things related to R2Y2s, Ho 229, F-16 AJ, Ho-Ri production, Zerstörer 45, Ostwind II, Yak-141, and other things that have no relation to the core of this post and start focusing on the Kh-38 MT being completely a fantasy weapon, if anyone have objections to this statement or have a counter argument that wasn’t discussed pls share it other wise all the info that was sent was already discussed and updated in this post by @MythicPi.
If you want a space to talk about the Ostwind II or Zerstörer 45 be my guest in here:
Want to talk about the Ho-229 same as well, take your opinions in here:
And i am sure there is other posts dedicated to the other subjects mentioned earlier.
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@MotorolaCRO I played all Nations and cant Agree with you…
While sure, the Black Night isnt the fastest or best armored, but it has an good gun, good ammo, good Reload, okay Mobility and has APS which make it immune to APFSDS at range
Zusammenfassung
But Luckly, this isnt relevant since this thread is about the KH-38MT
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I wouldn’t mind at all.
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There always has been - That’s the problem.
A problem Gaijin created and continues to reinforce and bring into further fruition.
Anyone saying it doesn’t exist, be they Gaijoob employee, content creator or player - Are either in denial, new to the game or lying to protect their favorite nation and/or brand.
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Much better than gen0. I have experienced both and it definitely gives an edge.
Yes you will miss some but if you launch in optimal settings they are actually pretty decent at their job.
At their new BRs they’ll face enemies that can launch ordnance outside their range, which basically nullifies their existence.
With the amount of replies in the thread,
What’s the consensus? From what I’ve read for a bit everything leads to its not real and should be removed but has any dev/comm manager made any comments in here about it yet?
It’s mobility isn’t really okay as it’s probably the slowest thing at it’s BR. It fires a pretty crappy shell with 5s reload limited to 3-4 rounds only.
That’s probably the only thing it’s good at.
kinda, it doesnt stop APFSDS it just degrades its pen depending on the range and speed, with in 1km it wont react to most apfsds rounds past that it will but only degrade them
I wonder if we’ll clear 2000 voters. Only 120 away from it as of this message…
That being said, we’re now at almost 6000 replies and nobody has provided any conclusive evidence to disprove my conclusion in the original post. Gaijin also seems to just be outright avoiding it like the plague, despite the fact that IF they actually had any info besides what’s already been presented in this thread, they could’ve provided it and the threads general question of “was the Kh-38MT ever actually known to be operational?” would have been resolved with a “yes”, which would have been favorable to them, suggesting Gaijin does not in fact have any new info, knows/realizes the missile does not meet their own in-game addition standards for aircraft weaponry, and intend to kill this thread with silence.
One possibility is that they are praying the upcoming update with the 5th gen IIR SAM’s like IRIS-T SLS will “resolve” the issue, which it wont imo.
My 2 cents about the upcoming GBAD systems
The only confirmed system to be coming that will face the Kh-38MT, the IRIS-T SLS, sits at a meager 4 missiles with 12km range, putting it in the approximate same category as the Type 81C already seen in-game, trading better missiles for half the missile load. The Type 81C, though capable, is not a top tier SAM, and there is no real reason to believe the SLS will be either when every major air threat at top tier has access to thermals and ordinance that outranges its missiles, while also carrying enough ordinance to just oversaturate its defenses. Ironically enough, the biggest losers of the update in terms of CAS if the new SAM’s seen are all “SLS-class” weapons will be the germans, as the only nation without access to standoff F&F options (brits/italians/japs all have access to the Gripen with 4xAGM-65’s, they’ll be the second worst off), they would be the only ones to be effectively shut out by this system while every other nation could continue without much change to their usual CAS routine.
On the flip side, I seem to remember gaijin stating the SPYDER AIO is already complete and they just weren’t adding it to the game because it was “too strong”. This system is, on the upper end of its range spectrum, in the 40km+ range class (using the I-DERBY ER), alongside options like the IRIS-T SLM (which afaik does not have an AIO option). What’s more likely though, would be the P5 (15km range) and I-DERBY SR (20km range) SPYDER AIO, the MICA-VL (20km range), CAMM (25km range), and potentially SLAMRAAM (25km range?), although I think only the SPYDER, and potentially the CAMM and SLAMRAAM have AIO options (the IRIS-T SLS also does, but its objectively not even worth discussing considering its paltry range and missile count).
SPYDER, CAMM, and MICA-VL all carry 8 missiles, which means they could theoretically survive a saturation attack, though it would cost them nearly their entire interceptor load, rendering them useless if there are more than 2 attackers in the sky. SLAMRAAM seems to sit between 4-6 missiles, with up to 5 AMRAAMs or 4 AMRAAMs + 2 9X’s being seen, suggesting it might be able to contend 1 saturation attack.
Not that it matters, since they never have to actually face Kh-38MTs, but the Russians would likely be getting a new Pantsir system, pushing them up to the 30-40km range class, still with more missiles than all other nations, alongside the 30mm cannons and direct fire capability, continuing their SAM supremacy.
The Chinese are known to be getting the Type 625E with 8x FB-10A missiles. 17km range alongside a stabilized 30mm gatling gun. This would surpass the Pantsir if there is no new Pantsir added this update, not that it matters much since afaik China also never faces the Russians either.
Unless they are adding systems in the IRIS-T SLM category (which I highly HIGHLY doubt are coming), I see no reason to believe the new SAM systems will actually provide any reprieve for ground forces players, they will just punish bad CAS players that push into their range too aggressively and that’s about it, and even then, a one month-ish period of adaptation will likely nullify their effect on the game.
All that being said, regardless of what gaijins position is on the issue, they should at the very least provide a response of some kind. Be it “we are keeping it in-game, screw off” or “we’re looking into the issue”, or “the upcoming update will have a lot of new SAM systems being added, we wish to wait and see how these impact CAS effectiveness before making a decision” or whatever other corpo response they wanna slap into this thread, but saying absolutely nothing is just insulting and bad PR.
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