The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

No it can’t, from 20km it flies around 50 seconds, because it lofts.

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every graph I have seen has shown being able to do that, I assume its because its being launched from a mach 1 jet not at 657 km/h, at the end of the day it is still faster then mavs are at the same range

I was gonna test it with the AGM-65E but it appears its max range is only 10km

Ahh yes, so handheld that they had to get a missile from 2015 to compete; so handheld that gaijin waited until they added the ufo eurocanards, in order to make the flankers flight performance even slightly competitive…

So handheld that they had one of the worst radars up until the release of the Su34.

So handheld that the Mig29 got artificially nerfed due to the cries of us mains, complaining about the R27ER during 100m multipath (the nerf didn’t even fix that, actually they nerfed the flight performance which had nothing to do with the ER).

The us is arguably the most handheld nation in air, they got excellent vehicles at every br, and some are even op…

But sure, russian bias.

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and the UK had to get a challenger 2 that isnt even in service yet? (still isnt there best tank btw) also that sounds more like an issue with russian equipment then an issue with the US being hand held

and yet here we are russia being the only nation with PESA radars and 2 of them at that

got any actual evidence of that or is this a “my thing got nerfed it had to be US mains” kinda deal?

which is understandable because during the time of SARH missiles it was the strongest BVR missile in the game. Just like how people complain about the AMRAAM and MICA now because they are the best BVR weapons in the game

never claimed they weren’t, just stated that russia was also hand held and people didnt like to admit it.

never said it was that was your words not mine

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I checked this out with the AGM-65G from 3km altitude and a distance of 19km with a speed of 682 km/h and it didnt even reach the target :/

What you can do is launch within 10km, and then slowly drag the laser point towards the target. This of course not result in a very optimal flight path.

You probably don’t need to test it anyway, it’s very often not going to reach 20km if you don’t launch from high speed and altitude, it’s close to its max range. Even if you launch from mach 1 though, you can still get some suprisngly short ranges. Recently found at you can’t do 12km launches from 1km altitude at mach 1, it will fall short by ~300-500m, even more if the target is moving. Was a bit disappointed with that.

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Then look less at graphs and play the game, even at mach 1 it’s still around 40-45 sec


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Rarely. Rafale is the closest to kh38 spam but rafale itself is rare occurance on top tier.

F15 almost never gets insta 6 kills. Last time i saw one was like a month ago (and i only play toptier)

Atleast i can shoot at them most of the time

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Lucky you, every 11.7 match ive played since the BR changes im drowned in mavs from F16s and F15s man.
Its ancedotal experience I suppose.

every single top tier game ive played (before the BR changes, And even after) has at least one rafale in it, normally its two.
WDYM its a rare occurance xD

Then why trying to generalise that all cas mains. Tho now i have troubles what u meant

Rare i meant hammers. Sry

Again why would hammers be rare? the platform thats slinging thems there.

Overall top tier rn is brutal for cas in general, the su30 and 34 would be fine with KH29s thouhg,. especially since we cant even prove the 38MT existed.

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I dont see hammers on kill feed that often.

Quite a lot of people play rafale as cap tho

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I have been playing with mrbombastic (RIP his forum ban xD) and uniquescorpions and i enjoyed playing with them. If u want to play toptier hop in everyone is much welcome 🙂

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still better then the AGM-65s they dont even reach 20km under the same conditions

Aye I tend to avoid top top tier Right now, just done a 9:3 game in my 12.0 german lineup though xD the 2a5 and 2a6 are awesome man

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my experience at top tier has been rather similar, ive seen like next to no Refales or F15s seen a TON of Su30SM and Su34s, I think I saw a single game with an EFT and even then he got 2 kills before dying

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France isn’t that much played. Thats why Rafales are rare. I also rarely see US Air Force or Luftwaffe. Its like ppl gave up to use Mavericks or laser guided ordnance vs. Pantsirs. The 800 spawn point investment for a jet doesn’t pay off for most nations.

Still, one thing has to be said:

Hammers are Mach 1.
KH-38 are going Mach 2.2

You see that there’s sufficient time to do something to avoid Hammers. When Rafales fire Hammers from airspawn range, they need a quite long time to reach target. Its not trivial.

Mach 2.2 KH-38 simply don’t allow your vehicle to escape. Even when you smoke and speed away, you most likely won’t make it. Especially in unarmored vehicles, which are susceptible to the 100m splash damage radius.

Mach 2.2 speed also reduces the chance that random events spoof your shot. When you use slow moving missies, it often happens that the target gets behind a building or random smoke spoofs the lock. KH-38 are that fast that the time window is too small for random failures. Compare that to Mavs, which need an eternity to tumble towards the target and often fall out of the sky before they connect.

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Not sure what top tier you play but when im playing theres cas for almost every nation up and about.
Mavs, GBUs name it.

To bring up the pantsir as a calling card so much as anyone mentions cas that isnt russian is a weak argument.

F15, F16, Gripen, Mirages, rafales, (somewhat the typhoon) can all actively play and dodge pantsir easy, these platforms counter pantsir easily. (we need better spaas for all the other trees BTW that is a non argument from me)

The smoking and running away again relies on you to be watching the air for a damn plane firing missiles from what? 16km Away? whilst also playing against the ground forces.

Hell I used an A7D in my 11.3 lineup for USA and can easily rack off its aim65B’s ! and get between 1 - 4 kills.

Im not here defending the KH38MT BTW I genuinely believe the thermal targetting version should be removed from the game, its leaps and bounds ahead of almost every other AGM mounted on a plane bar the hammer and KH29

Im not debating that the KH38 is stupidely good at all.
Merely an off topic remark to a one sentence joke has gone over board xD

Lol the render distance is several KM below that so…

The Hammer, at the very least, is slow, but other than that, yeah it’s a menace. Probably my fav AGM because of how agile it is on terminal guidance. You rarely miss with the thing.

The Kh-29s are a different story and I disagree completely. Being TV seekers, they, at best, acquire moving locks at around 8km, usually around 4-6km, and put you in Type 81, manpad, crotale, and pantsir killboxes. You kinda need to chuck them from outside their lock range, hope they lock a target on the way in, and nab the kill. Unless you like flying dangerously, but CAS pilots are pussies who rarely go for thrills beyond the big 5-6 gold names on the killfeed within 5 seconds of each other. (Speaking from personal experience there).