It’s actually under Unsporting Conduct, and your want to validate the actions, almost shows that you need to be checked for participating in this stupid action.
If you’re colluding with the enemy and playing passively, then you’re not actually playing the game as it was intended, and it’s not something everyone does, it’s just a small portion of people, who cannot actually play the game, needing to play it ‘without dying’ and ‘without penalty’, and thus aren’t actually playing the game.
Welp, there may be other sections but this is what I found and it’s even weaker than my first find:
4. UNSPORTING CONDUCT
Playing our games means playing fair. The following behavior constitutes unsporting conduct and is strictly prohibited under paragraph 2 of the Game Rules:
● Griefing. Causing damage to teammates or so-called “friendly fire”, including, without limitation, the following actions: inflicting damage to teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, destroying teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, disorienting teammates.
● Blocking the Teammates. Intentional blocking movements of your teammate (propping up, pushing out, blocking the passage/driveways).
● Exploiting Game Bugs, Errors, and Flaws. Taking advantage of any bugs or flaws for personal gain.
● Unauthorized Modifications and Software. Unauthorized changes to the game software, using cheats, or anything that automates the game process (bots, mods), changes gameplay or game functionality, grants an advantage over other players, or otherwise modifies the gaming experience.
● Inactive Gameplay and Deliberate Losing. Intentional inactivity during game matches (a player’s “AFK” state) and deliberate actions leading to a loss, such as moving around the map without completing objectives or not engaging opponents.
● Fair Play Violations. Any other action against the spirit of fair play.
The in-game system may automatically detect and punish certain unsporting behavior (for example, in the case of “friendly fire”). In specific cases, the Administration may manually review the situation to determine the appropriate punishment.
The Administration may always impose the game access restriction for 3 to 7 days on a player who causes damage or destroys a teammate during the game events.
it’s not “unfair” to not go after players, it’s kind of the opposite. And again, it’s NOT PASSIVE to bomb bases and go after other objectives.
it’s my game and my time and I’ll spend it how I like. I don’t really do the PvE thing but I’m not against it. I’ve never seen it last an entire match either way, usually only for the first few minutes and then it’s a free-for-all (which is exactly why I’m saying there’s no “problem” with it).
I did find something interesting for those complaining about One Death Leavers:
6.2. STAR CONFLICT
Penalty For Abandoning the Game Session for No Reason
Star Conflict is fundamentally a team-oriented game. The essence and enjoyment of the gameplay is built upon the collective efforts of all team members. For the integrity of the game and respect towards your teammates, it’s important that no team member abandons their comrades during a game session (combat).
Disrupting your team’s gameplay is forbidden by virtue of paragraph 2 of the Game Rules. The Administration may consider abandoning combat without a good reason as a violation of this rule unless a player abandons the combat due to the server or game client failure (if only they are not intentionally caused by such a player or third parties on their behalf).
If a player is sanctioned for the violation as per above and wishes to appeal, they must provide a reasonable justification for their early withdrawal from the combat.
What was your point in this, because I know what mine is… I just don’t see why you’re trying to defend something you don’t do, which is obviously questionable so vehemently…
If it wasn’t affecting you, then you wouldn’t care… But is it fair for someone to grind months and months of battles to unlock something, where someone can just join these matches and just spend one match getting kills and activity through the roof, doing nothing but hitting AFK players on the runway?
Is that actually ‘fair’ for ‘everyone’, ignoring those who ‘can’t play’ because of work, or IRL time constraints?
Its a grey area.
If both sides are in ground attackers/bombers, etc and are just hitting ground targets like bases and AFs then it is not against any rules. You can do that just fine.
If someone joins and asks for “PvE only” then strictly speaking they are against the EULA, but only really them. No one else in that match is obligated to change what they are doing or how they are doing it.
It is easy enough to perform sortie after sortie in a strike aircraft whilst avoiding the entire enemy team (did it with 0 effort in the Buc the other day)
In my opinion, the point at which “PvE Only” lobbies become actually bad, is when people join who dont want to PvE and get abuse, TKed, etc by others who are trying to enforce it. That is wrong.
But people dropping bombs on bases or AFs, nothing against the EULA for that
It’s not a grey area…
It’s the same as calling someone to go meet you somewhere to exchange kills. We’re just declaring the room to be PvE at the start to get people to play in that same manner so we can all just farm.
Also don’t know why people are still debating it, it’s pretty clear it’s definitely not something that should be done.
Is taking something like a Bucanneer S2 or Tornado Gr1 into SB and spending the entire match dropping bombs onto bases a violation of the EULA?
That’s doing something, where this is asking if people are playing PvE to avoid engaging with real players…
Very different, not a single iota of ‘gotcha’…
Well, let me continue.
So that is not against the EULA.
If everyone in a match happens to be doing the same thing. In aircraft better suited for ground attack and just generally avoiding a fight. Is that against the EULA?
No its not.
Well… If someone joins the match and says in chat, “PvE only” and even if absolutely no one responds but they just continue doing what they were doing before that was said in chat. Are they violating the EULA?
At what point is there collusion?
A player has 2 extra accounts on other machines from them. They enter these rooms with thier 2 extras, and set them up on a runway merely doing circles and goes to bomb them.
Other players join and ask if it’s a PvE room, to which they then start cruising about doing thier own. What we then see is that everyone stacks one side of the teams, and end up all playing ‘objectives’ and not engaging each other.
This, is where the issue really is… The player who’s putting thier bots in to farm their own kills, and the others who have joined, knowing this kid runs PvE rooms, and how to find them.
After all, it was a moderator who tripped up saying what server cluster they were all sitting on that drew me to find this situation going on, where many want to ignore it, I don’t.
It makes all my grinding and effort worthless because it could’ve all been done without me dying, without risk, and without needcing to be anywhere near as long as I’d have just joined the winning team all of the time.
That’s why there is an issue with these ‘PvE’ rooms, and why I constantly have issue with you trying to validate why it’s not a problem.
I have never, ever seen a match like what you have described. But that isnt a “PvE lobby” that is multi-boxing/botting.
IF something like that even exists, then report them. Done. I will continue to enjoy flying my ground attackers in SB
I highlighted a user doing this for an entire day for 24 hours. 8 matches, 3 hour Sim EC matches. 30+ on one side, 5 on the other.
I’ve also highlighted it to the CMs and GMs, to no avail…
…If this is about fairness, yes this is perfectly fair, just because someone else found a better way to grind shouldn’t bother you.
Ahh, but if this is your issue, your issue isn’t with PvE at all, it’s with Botting and sock accounts. Totally different subject and completely against EULA in several places and I agree it should be (and is) punishable.
Yep, I spent a good hour long match in the Buc S2. Bombing AFs. It was Tunisia, So small map and was able to do quick turn arounds. Only time I died was when I screwed up my carrier landing. Wasnt a PvE match, wasnt doing any dodgy stuff. Just no one attacked me, I was putting in 0 effort, but still completing sortie after sortie. Finished with a nice chunk of change and did that entire event token in 1 match.
I shouldnt be punished for either A) Being good, or B) the other team being bad
This is so naive to the issue that’s being raised that you either do it, benefit from it, or you are just ignorant to the wider effect of it that you simply don’t care…
Any which reason, there’s nothing fair about it, you may as well call the idle bots and those third party app users ‘fair’ in the same broad stroke if it was anything to gauge on ‘fair’.
Anyway the way to fix it is very easy - mission score given by air kill or ground unit kill should be doubled - or mission score for hitting airbase with rockets should be drastically lowered.
Now score calculation is motivating to be a dumb.
Don’t even want to mention about some streamers who encourage to play dumb and crash into airbase with rockets, shame on them.
For me grinding an event is only one hour when I hunt farmers, but I would like to play air sims normal way with normal oponents.
in DCS and other sims, my people and I always fly so relaxed. here, in contrast, it’s always about punishment and or whether something is fair or not.
here you have to justify whether you bomb a base or shoot down an AI plane.
just fly more relaxed. just play. just fly. and that’s it.
recently a buddy shot down a lot of AI planes in DCS and then said “in WT Sim that would be abuse, I would have to fear denunciation!”. hehe :D he got right to the point
the topic could also be closed slowly.
then the snail would have to abolish the grind system. in a game with silver lions and techtrees, you will always find people who don’t play “normally”. because bombing a destructible airfield module is also a mission objective.
I see the responsibility 100% with the snail. they don’t maintain the mode. so a lot of inconsistencies arise.
Well, that was the pretext maybe, but not the reason.
What was the problem? It was huge rewards from one-way airfield attack sorties, especially with rockets. So a logical solution might be to reduce rewards for rockets, which actually did minuscule damage compared to bombs, increase airfield defences and increase rewards for actually surviving and returning. But we got Useful Actions instead: an illogical system which simply nerfed everyone’s rewards.
What are the farmers doing to grind the current event? Yea, one-way airfield attack sorties, preferably with rockets… WTG on solving that problem Gaijin.
They wanted Useful Actions and used F-4 rocket spam as the excuse.
I think you misunderstood me. I also appreciate to kill ground units in strike fighters or hunt AI planes formations. This topic is not about forcing players to play PVP.
I just don’t think that it’s OK when majority of player base during event is only focused on fastest way to make points which is only to get from point a to b and fire rockets, then die on aaa and repeat it.
As I already mentioned, for me it’s even fun to hunt them. But I don’t see it as good thing for sims overall.
I see that you play sims on some lower ranks so I am not really sure if you experienced an issue we are talking here.
And true thing is that this topic will be down. And will be back with next event.
And that’s 100% true. Because of farmers they always make “normal” players life harder instead of implementing proper solutions.