The issue of "PVE" matches

Didn’t say that was the only metric, but you’d want to write it off as that because that’s easy… I just don’t throw out every reason why because you’ll merely want to make excuses for every action like you’ve been doing the entire time.

I really do think you have benefited from these rooms intentionally…

I was a bit of a dumb dumb when I first played, if I found an enemy (very rarely) I would go and say hi to see what aircraft they were flying, I don’t understand the mentality of “PvE only” players XD

They hide and want it all ground out easy. This BP and the event would’ve pulled a lot of them.

And I think you just want to ban anyone and everyone that has ever engaged in PvE.

The ONLY way you could ever be sure someone is violating the EULA, is what is said and done in chat. All other evidence is circumstantial. With enough “evidence” maybe you could. But a lot of that evidence would be incredibly hard to prove beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt.

  • Not looking out (well maybe they are new or inexperienced)
  • Not reacting to other players (maybe they didnt see them, game does have spotting issues)
  • Just engaging in PvE actions (This has already been explained by a game master better than I ever could)

etc etc etc. Its murky, difficult to prove. and again, better to let someone go who might have been “exploiting” than to ban someone that wasnt.

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Yeah, I know I probably looked like a PvE only player when I started,

I did pretty much all of these when I started, and not reacting to other players was my dumbass thinking it was dirt on my screen

Whilst I dont endorse it, I do understand it. The game is a bit of a brutal grind. Like during the event. I did do it in naval and my god it was brutal. Id not even want to think about doing it in Ground or Air, especially in RB. But spending a couple of hours bombing bases in SB is exactly how I would have done it. Now I would have done it in a full PvP match, Id not have cared, but I play SB. These players dont, they can probably just about fly in a straight line in SB half the time. Asking for PvE only may not feel like cheating to them, Especially if no one says no

As did I. Well, I also tried to turn fight Mig-21s in a stock FGR2 and when that innevitably didnt work. I stuck with base bombing whislt I learnt the gamemode. I think I may have become the CCRP expert now on the forums as a result :P

Oh I understand why they do it, I just don’t understand why they ask others to ignore them, and I’d expect more reaction from them when I do go near them

I actually can’t use CCRP, but I don’t need to because CCIP is good enough for me… until my blind ass can’t see the base

Yeah, but that is just what some people will do and I doubt they think its against the rules.

I mostly use it to loft bombs. With SPAA so brutal, lofting means I can totally avoid the SPAA. Just wish the HUD symbology was correct/complete. But yeah, it does help with finding bases as well. Sometimes they are nearly invisible

Took me 5 minutes of flying around a spot just to see it once- then I flew over it and lost it again

I don’t know how, and can’t be bothered learning

Been there done that, gotten that t-shirt. Even a few times more recently than I care to admit

Also, heres one I made earlier, if you ever want to

Spoiler

A guide to: CCRP

Yeaaaa I might try thanks!

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No? As rewards in air sim are time-based, scores have nothing to do with the economy. Furthermore, even if every previous member of the lobby chooses PvE content, new players who join the lobby can still choose between PvP and PvE. There are no problems as long as players do not force each other to play by “hidden rules.”

They do not have the right to force you to play only PvE; likewise, you do not have the right to force them not to play PvE. This is bidirectional. There is nothing wrong with an entire lobby only playing PvE content as long as no one is forced to do so. The only issue arises when someone is team-killing or griefing players for PvP reasons.

Finally, PvE matches exist predominantly on SA servers only during events; this, in my opinion, is not a major issue. As far as I know, many players enter the SA servers during events hoping for easy kills; however, most of the time, some SA players fight back really hard. So there are no issues as long as there is no “forced” compliance with some player-made rules enforced by team-killing and griefing.

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Well said

So we can call on enemies in our normal matches to come to a truce and not kill each other, and that’s fine?

Is that what you’re trying to say is fine?

Because that’s what the issue has been the entire thread…

Well, there is an abundance of it in the game and YouTube, isn’t it? Players deliberately do not shoot down enemy nuke bombers; players intentionally allow significantly weaker enemies to go; and some players escort enemy bombers to the bomb base before killing them. They are all, in some manner, a form of truce, in my perspective. Unless you believe they are all breaking the rules and should be reported?

One on one, it’s not a problem, but it’s the mass enagement with the enemy to farm that is the actual issue here…

If you’ve seen it on the SA servers, then how prolific is that on that set of servers, and how many are doing it, because if you even have 4-6 people doing it, that’s still not the same as a small light tank finding a large enemy and wanting to hang about.

VERY different.

It’s conspiring with the enemy, on a grander scale.

I’ve always taken even talking to the team to tell them that someone is in an area, is even bad behaviour… But calling on truces to avoid engaging, is a whole other level…

If one person asks for a truce and no one responds but continues to engage in the same PvE activity they were before. Does that constitute consent/collusion?

In my opinion, it means nothing at all and the only person that “might” be in violation of any rules in the person who asked.

You have different tiers

  1. A lobby in which most are just doing PvE

  2. A lobby where most are doing PvE and someone asked for PvE only in all chat

  3. A PvE lobby with people enforicng that PvE with tactics like abusive messages and TKs

  4. A lobby created and populated with pre-planned people explicity for farming

First 1, not “illegal” at all. Second, technically bad, but not a big deal

Last 2, very bad.