The grind on this game is still too much

I don’t want to be the devil’s advocate, but how else is the game supposed to make money? You’d rather have 15 seconds of advertising before the match?

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Not sure why you replied to me - I agree - game has to make money, and it wouldn’t be 15 seconds before the match, it would be 15 seconds then, and again after every kill, and 1 minute between…

How do games like fortnite make money? How do games like CS make money (and before you say it’s pay to play, I guarantee you - most of they money CS makes is not from buying the game itself). Game doesn’t need to force you to pay to make money

At the end of the day - topics like this go nowhere. It’s just a bunch of guys (or gals) who haven’t got their head around what free-to-play games are, the psychology behind them, and how grind is good - grind is life. Gaijin keeps making bank and the game continues to grow year-on-year because they understand this.

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If you are interested in grinding faster, then the obvious strategy is to focus on one nation until you have touched the bottom of the trees and thereby activate the research bonus. Research does pick up speed when you have gained that.

The grind bonus should progressively stack, so the more nations you fully unlock, the higher the bonus you receive. For example:

  • Unlock 2 nations = 20% bonus
  • Unlock 6 nations = 60% bonus
  • Unlock 10 nations = 100% bonus

Previously i did in fact start a poll, and alot of people backed this…

Would you be interested in this
  • Yes, but it needs more work
  • Yes, it sounds great
  • No, Happy with what we already have
  • No, not interested at all
0 voters

I do have 100% bonus on most of my stuff. (???)

its an additional 100% so it would be 200% in total, each nation gives an additional 10% increase to bonus %.

I think the message is there but Gaijin dont have the balls to make it clear. To go past 5-6 BR you need premium. F2P is good up to a point then it ceases pretty much unless you have serious hours to throw at it.
Maybe if everybody paid a smaller subscription then Gaijin could drop have the BS they bring in but I also think it has gone beyond that to pure greed and the actual game itself is second rate to making profits now.Auction just highlighted what so many except the dumbest already knew.

I wouldn’t mind if they introduced a monthly subscription. Currently, the premium time doesn’t offer much, and it’s almost essential for a basic grind. A subscription could come with added benefits like monthly backups, discounts when converting RP, and double RP output while grinding. Those are just a few ideas off the top of my head.

I might suggest this…

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I dont want to drag us of topic about F2P so I started a new thread. Would War Thunder be a better game if they dropped Free To Play?

I just think if Gaijin could cover the game by an entry fee they could drop much of the rubbish and the cost of developing it all. I think the Auction was the last straw for many. ODL is a result of too many differing agendas in and around the game,the grind being a big one among them.

Subscription will kill it. On start 70% of players will quit.

Making people want to spend money is make the grind take so long that you know you’ll never see top tier if you have a job and dont have premium/premium vehicles. I get it, they need money but jesus christ almighty.

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I would pay a monthly subscription if the game was a lot easier to grind and not this chore it has become. Who cares if the 70% of players quit when they weren’t paying much to begin with or even at all. Guarantee most of them would pony up the money for a subscription anyways. The day a similar game comes out is the day they will need to make a big change or risk losing majority of their business.

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I would love to win or be rewarded from time to time a Top tier premium on loan or some kind of premium from a tier above just to entice me to move up and to see if top or higher tiers have anything I want from the game.

Just lend people a premium if they are playing well and often and give them a chance to grind faster and also see if higher tiers are a place to enjoy the game.
Some say Top tier is hell but many love it.Give us all a chance to experience it. Stagnant players dont spend, They dont need to so Gaijin need to give a little to gain a lot,a lesson they need to learn.

tbf it’s been like this for 10+ years

Yeah its not going any where any time soon seeing as its growing as a player base from what I remember.

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ye, the game hit all time peak active playerbase last year

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A normal person would realize that progress in f2p games requires time or real money. The player riot we saw was based on the fact that you needed both.

Despite i like your idea of era separation you will see a backlash by people unable or unwilling to welcome the increase of immersion.

Especially players of “useless” nations like Sweden, Israel or even China have either not participated (SWE & Israel) or got the majority of their rather modern equipment after WW 2 (China, France).

The severe skill issues in certain nations are just a result of their popularity, so it seems like that the experienced pilots flying them are in the absolute minority.

If you look at prop Air RB:

US planes are usually not easy to use and the wt meta favors low to medium alt turnfighting - therefore their pilots need postwar aircraft (with artificially lowered BRs) in order to compete with better player skill nations (on average) in actual WW 2 aircraft.

Same with USSR - they have similar skill issues like the average US players whilst their cannons overperform since RS 2.0 - and, ofc, their aircraft excel at low to medium alt. So positioning their few actually good aircraft like the 4.0 Yak-3 well below a contemporary 5.7 Bf 109 G-10 or K-4 is following the same logic.

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I don’t play any WW2 anymore. I don’t have time. Also they can solve the “skill issue” of US planes with one thing they just don’t want to do.
Instead of the crappy outdated " immersion " take off… air start for all , any nation not only US. Start them 5km. Let them play at the altitude the like. The ones that like play lower, dive. The climbers… climb.

Now if someone wants to (side)climb , he spends too much of a much doing this…they won’t do it because grinding. And not everyone cares about their stat card and not everyone cares to have a good match in quality , because they are grinding. i believe most newcomers now care to play a 11.0 and above jet, because those are the jets we grew up with. They won’t give a crap about WW2 tactics and sideclimbing 10 mins. They just see the jet they want to play.

Edit: I forgot. The point is, let them play jets if they want to. At some point they may start playing WW2 as well, because why not. Forcing them to get past WW2 to play the jet they like at this point with so many planes doesn’t help the quality of the matches or retaining the players they start the game for playing jets.