The F-20 needs a reduction on its br

yeah, no I’m going to just say I have no reason to ever think a 7e2 is stronger than a fakour.

I think it’s probably best to agree to disagree here and not yank the topic any further

This is the most contradictive and unhinged statement i can recall from this entire forum. Doing small concessions while getting people fuming is not being impartial.

I can relate to some degree on that same argument, the difference is that i don’t make fun out of people’s complains. I can strongly disagree, sure, but along the lines of an honest discussion. It’s complicated to have a meaningful discussion with someone that openly mocks on a specific group, even when in the end of such jokes, you may or not have a point.

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I wouldn’t say I’m a great player by any means, but the F-20A seems fine at 12.7 currently. I probably wouldn’t complain too much if it were to drop to 12.3, but I personally feel 12.7 is alright. Yes it regularly gets fully uptiered to 13.7, but hopefully the top BR will extend to 14.0 soon if the leaked Tiffy/Rafale are true which should hopefully help it a lot.

It’s just one of those planes that would benefit a lot from decompression given it currently feels like it belongs halfway between 12.3 and 12.7, but I personally would always prefer the BRs to be slightly high than slightly low, so 12.7 is fine.

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Service record for reference. Yes, I am very average I feel:

Most of my matches were played with 2x9L, 2x7F, both wing drop tanks and maximum fuel so I could be pretty much permanently in full reheat.

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Wow, such loss, i’ll never get over it.

The F-4J should be a BR below honestly, especially compared to the F-4S

F-4J does not belong at 10.7.

I believe the point here should not be Dowtiering the plane, but instead would make everybody hapy to bring some of the 13.7 planes to 14+

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i say keep the f-4J/f-4s at 12.0 but give its historical an/ale-37 countearmeasures dispensers that they are missing atm

imo we need br 15.0

I don’t remotely agree on that. I’ve used both and I’ll take AIM-7F’s over the R-27R every day of the week. For extremely close jousts I might prefer the R-24R, but certainly not the 27R.

This is why People don’t take you seriously.

Uhm… 10.7?? You good bro?

Is there an active bug report for this per chance?

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yes
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/fmGk5uYj45M2

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10-8km they have similar interception time but with the R-27R you can actually go cold and it will act like a pseudo FOX3 for a couple seconds. You can even turn the radar off a little bit before impact and the missile will track just fine most of the time.

Agree for the phoenix, but the fakour at it’s max course speed is almost as lethal as any modern FOX3, and more lethal if you are trying to multipath. They don’t pull much, but at such high speeds, they don’t need to.

Within 20km Fakours can be dodged easily with a little snaking because it’s only just reaching its max speed at that point. Sure it’s fast but it’s only decent at ensuring kills in the opening theater of the game.

Ensuring a few kills in the early game makes it more likely for your team to snowball the enemy. And its rare that you only have 1 fakour to worry about. You start bleeding speed evading 1 and you wont have energy for the second. The most reliable way is to just notch it, multipathing a fakour is a death sentence.

Well we’re going off-topic again